Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

4.96101736 49.20% Armenian_East + 50.80% MA2196_Ottoman

= Straightforward 25% Oghuz. Most reliable calculation ever.

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So it means I am 10-12% Oghuz based on my 2-population below? How close TianShan and Ottoman samples? Can you tell approximate Turkic just by looking these?

2-Population Approximation List:
1. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA59_TianShanSaka @ 1,497426
2. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA81_TianShanHun @ 1,604093
3. %6 Russian_Tver + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,701592
4. %6 Russian_Smolensk + %94 Turk_Anatolia_East @ 1,722981
5. %79 Armenian_West + %21 DA47_TianShanSaka @ 1,73762
6. %79.7 Armenian_West + %20.3 Hun_Tian_Shan_DA85 @ 1,8679
7. %78.5 Armenian_West + %21.5 Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 @ 2,1243

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In addition; I have match from Vani, Imereti, Georgia whom 100% Caucasus on 23andme. His name is Giorgi and his hablogroup is J-M67
I see you guys were talking about Caucasus regions I thought I share my Vahaduo Dodecad K12b which shows Udi on 0.25x and 0.5x
I have some sort of Caucasus/Circassian ancestry but I am not fully knowledgeable about the details.

Target: Altaic
Distance: 2.993989% / 2.99398876 | ADC: 1x RC
54.6 Turk_Southeast
30.2 Turk_East
10.2 Turk_Central_East
5.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Target: Altaic
Distance: 1.604076% / 1.60407617 | ADC: 0.5x RC
47.8 Turk_Southeast
33.8 Udi
11.2 Greek_Foca
7.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Altaic
Distance: 1.428108% / 1.42810799 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.8 Turk_Southeast
37.6 Udi
9.4 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.2 Greek_Peloponnese
3.0 Bulgarian_East

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Originally Posted by altaic

So it means I am 10-12% Oghuz based on my 2-population below? How close TianShan and Ottoman samples? Can you tell approximate Turkic just by looking these?

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I cannot tell, Hun/Saka is not appropriate to measure our Turkic ancestry as populations transformed once more after the dissolution of Xiongnu.

Try to model yourself with Kimak sample as well as native proxies such as Zaza, Armenians and Cappadocian Greeks, going with your ancestral location.

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Originally Posted by altaic

So it means I am 10-12% Oghuz based on my 2-population below? How close TianShan and Ottoman samples? Can you tell approximate Turkic just by looking these?

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Try with this(For Dodecad k12b)

Spoiler!

DA87_Kimak,20.45,23.46,0.00,3.37,2.55,20.85,0.00,0 .36,0.95,18.73,6.72,2.55

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

I am more surprised that the admixture remained almost intact. This person looks uber typical for the Republic Azerbaijani. Did they migrate from the republic part or Iranian Azerbaijan?

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They migrated from what is now Karabakh. Javanshir clan is mainly tied to Karabakh. I couldn't find information on them that they were anywhere else prior to it.

Azerbaijani from the republic. Judging by higher than normal SWA maybe even from Karabakh.

Gedrosia 19.77 Pct
Siberian 1.93 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.27 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.55 Pct
North_European 11.25 Pct
South_Asian 1.1 Pct
East_African 0.83 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.89 Pct
East_Asian 3.65 Pct
Caucasus 38.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Huseyn
4.30281303 Azerbaijani
5.12728973 Turk_Southeast
5.26059883 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.51416358 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.30322531 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.65157500 Turkmen_Iraq
7.68296167 Zaza
7.73168804 Turk_Central_East
8.03272681 Turk_South
8.18942000 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.20256058 Kurd_Sorani
8.63025492 Kurd_Adygea
8.97368375 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.99299172 Yazidi
9.19056582 Turk_Central_West
9.28961248 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.39091050 Udi
9.43561869 Turk_East
10.52277055 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.16965532 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.61432736 Turk_Southwest
11.67877990 Iranian_Lur
11.67877990 Lur_Iran
13.22261321 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
13.47392296 Iranian_Khorasan

I have found one too. She is an English teacher from Azerbaijan. I think she must have North Caucasian ancestry
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBJEQCxjCnk/

Gedrosia 24.87 Pct
Siberian 2.38 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.2 Pct
North_European 18.87 Pct
South_Asian 1.11 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.52 Pct
East_Asian 1.36 Pct
Caucasus 41.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.55 Pct

Distance to: Aynur
2.57060304 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
4.54401805 Chechen
4.89177882 Ingush
5.44787114 Kumyk
5.64351841 Lezgin
6.70563196 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.57225858 Lak
8.70009195 Kubachi_Dagestan
8.72946161 Balkar
8.78223206 Karachay
8.93508254 Adyghe
9.17811527 Kabardin
9.22030911 Avar
9.41533855 Tabasaran
9.43932201 Abazin
9.53399706 Circassian
9.96855055 Kaitag_Dagestan
9.97652244 Ossetian
10.96557796 Dargin
12.22514213 Ossetian_South

Target: Aynur
Distance: 1.1968% / 1.19675377 | ADC: 0.5x RC
68.8 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
25.0 Lezgin
6.2 Iranian_Mazandaran

I dislike this Tsakhur reference, I think it's based on one family.

w/o the Tsakhur

Target: Aynur
Distance: 1.1191% / 1.11905851 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.5 Chechen
21.2 Lezgin
12.8 Iranian_Mazandaran
8.5 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

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Originally Posted by Leto

I have found one too. She is an English teacher from Azerbaijan. I think she must have North Caucasian ancestry

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I have posted this already. Might be Tsakhur(or just very north shifted Azerbaijani like the ones from Qakh and Zaqatala), but as you said, Tsakhur average is a bit wonky.

The average is based on three very different samples from Suvagil village in Azerbaijan.
They are not from the same family, very different from each other.

Found them (all have different names):
Tsakhur1,24.94,1.97,0,0,5.01,21.83,0.89,0,4.13,3.3 1,37.91,0
Tsakhur2,22.98,2.25,0,0,5.61,18.01,1.83,0,5.63,2.5 3,41.16,0
Tsakhur3,21.18,2.27,0,0,5.56,16.68,0,0,6.64,0.82,46.85,0

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

I cannot tell, Hun/Saka is not appropriate to measure our Turkic ancestry as populations transformed once more after the dissolution of Xiongnu.

Try to model yourself with Kimak sample as well as native proxies such as Zaza, Armenians and Cappadocian Greeks, going with your ancestral location.

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Target: Altaic (Kimak, Zaza, Cappadocia, Armenia and Udi added; lowest distance)
Distance: 2.640883% / 2.64088302
44.4 Zaza
36.6 Greek_Cappadocia
10.2 DA87_Kimak
8.8 Udi

Target: Altaic (only Armenia and Kimak added)
Distance: 4.905811% / 4.90581128
61.6 Armenian_East
21.0 Armenian_West
17.4 DA87_Kimak

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

Try with this(For Dodecad k12b)

Spoiler!

DA87_Kimak,20.45,23.46,0.00,3.37,2.55,20.85,0.00,0 .36,0.95,18.73,6.72,2.55

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

I have posted this already. Might be Tsakhur(or just very north shifted Azerbaijani like the ones from Qakh and Zaqatala), but as you said, Tsakhur average is a bit wonky.
The average is based on three very different samples from Suvagil village in Azerbaijan.
Don't think they were from the same family though, very different from each other.

Found them (different names, so not the same family):
Tsakhur1,24.94,1.97,0,0,5.01,21.83,0.89,0,4.13,3.3 1,37.91,0
Tsakhur2,22.98,2.25,0,0,5.61,18.01,1.83,0,5.63,2.5 3,41.16,0
Tsakhur3,21.18,2.27,0,0,5.56,16.68,0,0,6.64,0.82,46.85,0

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Okay, but this time we have a photo which is always interesting.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Okay, but this time we have a photo which is always interesting.

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I find the third sample very interesting. His Caucasus is through the roof for Azerbaijani or Dagestani.

Distance to: Tsakhur3
3.54914074 Adyghe
4.45827321 Ingush
4.86638470 Ossetian
6.00836916 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
6.12391215 Karachay
6.43847808 Ossetian_South
6.45721302 Circassian
6.94694177 Balkar
7.01016405 Chechen
7.22562800 Abazin
7.95542582 Kumyk
8.44811813 Kabardin
8.51482237 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.10720535 Abkhazian
11.00249972 Udi
11.48763683 Turk_Ahiska
12.39288909 Turk_East
12.64806705 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.72264910 Lezgin
12.90102322 Georgian
13.26729814 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.63304808 Georgian_Svan
13.64505038 Azerbaijani
13.68837098 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.70870162 Zaza