South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Krajina was deserted and uninhabited due to Ottoman-Austrian wars.

There are no native medieval population from this region in our genetics.

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No, that is false. Population just declined. There are plenty of Krajina Serbs who are genetically more Croat than Serb like.
And it is visible in surnames.

Vrkić is typical Croatian surname and among Krajina Serbs it is from locals.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Burgerland Croats for sure have Austrian admixture. And probably Hungarian as well. I know some of them and individually few look typically German.
In my opinion Krajina Serbs are genetically diverse. Some appear typically Serb or even Montenegrin, some appear typically Bosnian or not different from Croats and some are West-Central Euro shifted.

I observe similar genetic variety in Dalmatia as well.
Some Dalmatian Croats are very Slavic shifted (in direction of Ukraine), some are quite western and appear central euro like and some are very Balkan shifted and can even approach Bulgarians.

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Spot on Attachment 92007

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

No, that is false. Population just declined. There are plenty of Krajina Serbs who are genetically more Croat than Serb like.
And it is visible in surnames.

Vrkić is typical Croatian surname and among Krajina Serbs it is from locals.

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It is well known and historically recorded that most of population fled due to Ottoman-Austrian wars. Some who stayed got islamicized.

Krajina Serbs are now mixing with Serbia's Serbs and we are going to be in next generation more closer to them and further from Croats or anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

It is well known and historically recorded that most of population fled due to Ottoman-Austrian wars. Some who stayed got islamicized.

Krajina Serbs are now mixing with Serbia's Serbs and we are going to be in next generation more closer to them and further from Croats or anyone else.

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Well that's obvious. Your results for example are not Croat-like. You seem like a typical Serb with more Slav admixture than is average.
Military frontier had mixed population, for example Croatian population steadily declined trough centuries and only later Serbs became majority.
In beginnings of it Croats were majority. Later came Serbs, Vlachs, some Germans, Hungarians.

Even after Serbs became majority population they never came close to being 100% in the region.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Vlachs,

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there was no actual Vlachs in that area i believe, Vlachs was a derogatory term for Serbs.
like today in the Balkans "Cigan" is used as an insult. but it's also an ethnic group.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

In my opinion Krajina Serbs are genetically diverse

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the only two clear clusters among Serbs are the more southern Montenegrins and all other Serbs.

regions like Lika or Western Serbia mean nothing for autosomal. even Serbs from the same town, Dvor na Uni plot in 2 separate clusters.
btw did you see my plot of Croats (results provided by ph2ter) on page 58 of this thread?

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

there was no actual Vlachs in that area i believe, Vlachs was a derogatory term for Serbs.
like today in the Balkans "Cigan" is used as an insult. but it's also an ethnic group.

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It wasn't an insult in that time but social status. I am convinced actual Vlachs migrated with Serbs though. In great Serb migrations to Vojvodina ethnic composition was also mixed except being predominately Serbian.
Even among Burgerland Croats there is a ''Vlach'' subgroup.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

the only two clear clusters among Serbs are the more southern Montenegrins and all other Serbs.

regions like Lika or Western Serbia mean nothing for autosomal. even Serbs from the same town, Dvor na Uni plot in 2 separate clusters.
btw did you see my plot of Croats (results provided by ph2ter) on page 58 of this thread?

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Yes, very nice work. How would you define my family in terms of clustering ?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

It wasn't an insult in that time but social status. I am convinced actual Vlachs migrated with Serbs though. In great Serb migrations to Vojvodina ethnic composition was also mixed except being predominately Serbian.
Even among Burgerland Croats there is a ''Vlach'' subgroup.

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Why do you think that? There is no linguistic or even upfront historical evidence for a migration of Romance speaking people in that direction, with the exception, of course, of Istro-Romanians.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Why do you think that? There is no linguistic or even upfront historical evidence for a migration of Romance speaking people in that direction, with the exception, of course, of Istro-Romanians.

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I think Štokavian dialect was created as fussion between Slavic and Vlach groups. Maybe you didn't know but North/Kajkavian Croats call all Štokavians Vlachs, including Croats štokavians.
Also sherperding lifestyle had to be adopted upon interaction with Vlachs.

My opinion is remnants of Vlachs were always minority among migrating SW Slavs but never completely assimilated until later on.