Indo-Europeans migrated in 80.000 bc into americas then build time machine to rob future R-men's genomes, then backmigrated into Europea, and finally killed and raped I1/I2 men. Anyway, thread reached 130,895 (Z93 Turan reconquered pole position).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico33
Haplogroup R1 is 100% corelated with European ancestry, it has nothing to do with Turkic peoples, it was mixed into the pot with IRANIAN speaking Scythians.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/0...al-health.html
Haplogroup C has nothing to do with Turkic peoples either, it's a Mongolic marker, the reason it's found in Kazakhs... is well... Kazakhs are a Turco-Mongol tribe.
Haplogroups Q, N and maybe J2a (which is definetely a CHG marker) were found in Proto-Turks, whom were of 95%+ EAST EURASIAN ancestry,
Eğer bundan başka bir iddianız varsa, kesinlikle yanılıyorsunuz ve Türk eğitim sistemi sizin beyninizi yıkamış. Başka bir açıklaması bilimsel olarak KESİNLİKLE YOK.
Dude R1 is between 12,500 and 25,700 years old (most likely 18,500 years). It is way older than turkics, you can only only talk about certain subclades of r1a (and also r1b) and turkics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balthier
To say that R1 is 100% European is the most retarded thing I ever heard on this forum.
Other than r1b-v88, there are no exceptions on the present time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annihilus
F1019 (below 2935) is turning out to be quite turkic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balthier
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-F1345/ i don't see any Turkish flags here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annihilus
i suggest you read this article, http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/0...al-health.html
"The oldest example of R1a in ancient DNA from Central Asia is dated to 2132-1940 calBCE (ID I3770, Narasimhan 2019). Moreover, this sequence is closely related to much older R1a samples from Central, Eastern and Northern Europe, and phylogenetically nested within their diversity. Thus, it must surely represent a population expansion from Europe to Central Asia. Indeed, it's also associated with the Bronze Age Andronovo archeological culture, which is usually seen as an offshoot of the Corded Ware culture (CWC) of Late Neolithic Europe. The vast majority of present-day R1a lineages in Central Asia are closely related to that of I3770, and so must also ultimately derive from Europe."
Obviously R1a was spread by ancient whites (Indo-Aryans and their descendants) :cool: It's 2019 and I don't know why some people still shit bricks when they are told this.
I said turkic not Turkish. F1019 was first discovered in a Kazakh and a Uyghur. The two Russian F1019's are Balkars (ignore their additional mutation that's only 225 years old) the other one is me. A Khazar R1a turned out to be F1019. We are slowely getting there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balthier
Polako is a good guy but he has a clear agenda, besides I am not interested in Indian R1a and slavs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balthier
R1a comes indeed from ancient white people with European characteristics, it is of Indo-European origin but what we should have in mind is that Indo-europeans are not only the ancestors of modern European peoples. Some of them went to Asia mixed with East Eurasian groups and during Middle-Ages took part in ethnogenesis of Turkic peoples. We know from history that Khazars, Cuman, Pethcenegs were Turkic tribes but their appearance varried a lot among these people. The historical sources mentions that some Khazars had European appearance (despite they were Turkic) while others Mongolian or in some cases even middle-Eastern. This is why we find East Asian haplogroups (Q for example) and Indo-European (R-Z93) among them.
You really can't talk about whites and R1a in that manner. R1a is much older than the white skin mutations that arose some 8000 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto