Dodecad k12b south, west and central asian results

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

I imagine Parthians more like modern Turkmens without the excess of East Eurasian. But hard to tell without samples.

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I think they'd probably be closer to Tajiks tbh, the Parthians originated from that area anyway. Turkmens and Uzbeks especially are more Chorasmians than anything

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Originally Posted by Babak

I mean, doesn't seem too far off tbh bro. NE euro is higher and a bit less sw asian.

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It's not far off but thats still no Sassanid sample it's 800 years inbetween. Also this sample looks more to be some kind of Iranic sample from the Caucasus than actually Sassanid imo.

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Originally Posted by Demhat

It's not far off but thats still no Sassanid sample it's 800 years inbetween. Also this sample looks more to be some kind of Iranic sample from the Caucasus than actually Sassanid imo.

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Yeah I think it looks more like a Mede sample, all things considered

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

I imagine Parthians more like modern Turkmens without the excess of East Eurasian. But hard to tell without samples.

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I believe the Parni/Parthians were mixed with Scythians and there was diversity within them just like you see with Azeris and Kurds and formed a substantial genetic base for Kurds, Azeris and some other NW Iranians.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

I think they'd probably be closer to Tajiks tbh, the Parthians originated from that area anyway. Turkmens and Uzbeks especially are more Chorasmians than anything

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You guys are making a mistake here you are confusing the Parni tribe (East Iranic early Elite) with the Parthians. I doubt that they will look like Tajiks. The East Parthians might appear more similar to Turkmens without excess East Eurasian. but the West Parthians (overall Parthians) will be much closer to Northwest Iranians imo.

The Parthians were a Northwest Iranic tribe and according to Roman and Greek sources descended predominantly from the local Medes who absorbed Scythian tribes among them. The confusion often comes from the fact that the people equote Parthians with Parni.
The Parni started the rebellion and uprising against the Seleucids from the Satrap of Parthia (that's where the name comes from) but the Imperial Parthian people were predominantly descended of Northwest Iranic speaking tribes (mainly Medes).

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Before Arsaces I founded the Arsacid Dynasty, he was chieftain of the Parni, an ancient Central-Asian tribe of Iranian peoples and one of several nomadic tribes within the confederation of the Dahae.[14] The Parni most likely spoke an eastern Iranian language, in contrast to the northwestern Iranian language spoken at the time in Parthia.[15]

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We clearly see a discontinuity of the early Parni (early Elite) and the later Parthians here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni_conquest_of_Parthia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni

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Originally Posted by Demhat

You guys are making a mistake here you are confusing the Parni tribe (East Iranic early Elite) with the Parthians. I doubt that they will look like Tajiks. The East Parthians might appear more similar to Turkmens without excess East Eurasian. but the West Parthians (overall Parthians) will be much closer to Northwest Iranians imo.

The Parthians were a Northwest Iranic tribe and according to Roman and Greek sources descended predominantly from the local Medes. The confusion often comes from the fact that the people equote Parthians with Parni.



We clearly see a discontinuity of the early Parni (early Elite) and the later Parthians here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni_conquest_of_Parthia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni

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Here's something


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f740_B13UU&t=13s

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Originally Posted by Demhat

You guys are making a mistake here you are confusing the Parni tribe (East Iranic early Elite) with the Parthians. I doubt that they will look like Tajiks. The East Parthians might appear more similar to Turkmens without excess East Eurasian. but the West Parthians (overall Parthians) will be much closer to Northwest Iranians imo.

The Parthians were a Northwest Iranic tribe and according to Roman and Greek sources descended predominantly from the local Medes. The confusion often comes from the fact that the people equote Parthians with Parni.



We clearly see a discontinuity of the early Parni (early Elite) and the later Parthians here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni_conquest_of_Parthia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parni

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hmmm yeah I think you're right

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Yeah I think it looks more like a Mede sample, all things considered

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Could be a Mede or something similar from modern Azerbaijan or Khorasan yes. But as long as we don't have real samples from the correct timeframe we will never know.

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Originally Posted by Babak

Here's something


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f740_B13UU&t=13s

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Thanks I will watch it.

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Originally Posted by Demhat

Could be a Mede or something similar from modern Azerbaijan or Khorasan yes. But as long as we don't have real samples from the correct timeframe we will never know.

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It's best to just call it Medieval Iranian