Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

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Originally Posted by Leto

If mass immigration of guest workers to Russia and by extension to Ukraine continues, the Russian influence won't fade but will only increase. When like half a country has to look for work in another country, it's really a no-brainer that the host country is gonna have a lasting influence on migrant speech.

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very few Moldovans of Romanian origin go to work in Russia - they prefer to get Romanian passports and work in the EU.

the only Moldovans who go to Russia were ethnically Russian or Ukrainian and they rarely return.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Usually what CIS/ex-Soviet peoples borrow from Russian is disgusting profanity - it's bad enough in Russian but in other languages many times worse. Years ago there was a video from Afghanistan, a local boy would have lived among Latvian NATO soldiers and learned to speak "Latvian". Guess what? He used блядь in every other sentence.

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Same here, interjections like бля, блядь, блин, йопта, пиздец, ебать, ахуеть etc. Also swear words and expressions
That's why I was telling ixulescu that for native Romanian speakers, the extent to which they mix with Russian is usually limited to slang, except cases when someone forgets a word.

In my family, sure, my parents usually spoke a creole between themselves and do so with us to this day, but that's mostly a particularity of my and other mixed households.
In a lot of my friends' family it was different.

In Chisinau at least though, not only Russian has influenced the local speech, but Romanian has also added local variety into Russian.

https://newsmaker.md/rus/novosti/mol...zyk-v-moldove/

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

very few Moldovans of Romanian origin go to work in Russia - they prefer to get Romanian passports and work in the EU.

the only Moldovans who go to Russia were ethnically Russian or Ukrainian and they rarely return.

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That's not true. I've met quite a few Romanian-speaking Moldovans in Russia.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Same here, interjections like бля, блядь, блин, йопта, пиздец, ебать, ахуеть etc. Also swear words and expressions
That's why I was telling ixulescu that for native Romanian speakers, the extent to which they mix with Russian is usually limited to slang, except cases when someone forgets a word.

In my family, sure, my parents usually spoke a creole between themselves and do so with us to this day, but that's mostly a particularity of my household.
In a lot of my friends' family it was different.

In Chisinau at least though, not only Russian has influenced the local speech, but Romanian has also added local variety into Russian.

https://newsmaker.md/rus/novosti/mol...zyk-v-moldove/

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That's pretty bad and ugly. I would recommend avoiding using that kind of barbarisms. I personally don't use them in Russian anymore.

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Originally Posted by Leto

That's not true. I've met quite a few Romanian-speaking Moldovans in Russia.

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there should be some, but few.

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

It's more than that. The moment you set foot in RM you hear words like marshrutka etc.

However, Romanian used in RM is improving every day, in another generation it will be indistinguishable from that in Romanian Moldova.


anyways, the point was that Moldovans current knowledge of Russian is incomparable greater than Romanians knowledge of Romani. I see no way one could deny this. Romanians simply don't understand Romani at all.

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I personally at least, never said that Romanians are fluent in Romani, because not even Romani people from Romania are.
What I claimed is that you use Gypsy words in Romanian, the same way we use Russian.
When we want to speak Russian properly, we switch to Russian instead of creating a porridge.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I personally at least, never said that Romanians are fluent in Romani, because not even Romani people from Romania are.
What I claimed is that you use Gypsy words in Romanian, the same way we use Russian.

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This claim is false for the simple reason that Romanians only know about 20 to 30 gypsy words, that's all. It's simply not possible for Romanians to use gypsy words the same way Moldovans use Russian words.

Romanians can't even be polite to gypsies and tell them Hi, or How are you or Thank you. No Romanian knows how to say any of that. The situation is radically different, there's no point in drawing false parallels.

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Originally Posted by Leto

That's pretty bad and ugly. I would recommend avoiding using that kind of barbarisms. I personally don't use them in Russian anymore.

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Are there any good examples of this creole ... on youtube for instance? I am curious how Russoromanian would be like.

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Originally Posted by Leto

That's pretty bad and ugly. I would recommend avoiding using that kind of barbarisms. I personally don't use them in Russian anymore.

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Me and my inner circle of friends rarely swear, so we don't use any kind of swear words, not just Russian.

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Originally Posted by Roy

Are there any good examples of this creole ... on youtube for instance? I am curious how Russoromanian would be like.

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I don't think so. In my family we would speak full sentences or parts of a sentence in Romanian followed by full sentences or parts in Russian and so on. That's our "creole".

But if you are curious about the local slang, then these are some examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E43pfAWkdnw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj2r18ivF2c

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Nu trăiești tu viața mea! Bazar ushis, blea
Mie-mi plași anumi-așa! Băi, atibisi, a
Bag pula-n parerea ta și-n tot și ai mai sfânt
Nu mă poți tu limita, îs Jăka și-s bandit


Strofa 1:


„Uă, șini-i Jăka, nahuia aud di dânsu-atât
El și, v naturi-i dalbaiob, di credi câ-i bandit
Îl fut în gât, dacă-l prind - l-am zaibit, ca Moroșanu
O belit pula, cu alte cuvinte, drăcălanu'”
Iaca așa, treși anu', zi di zi prikoali noi
Bratka, ia scoati banu', s plătim la hăitori
Că-i Anu' Nou, mâini-poimâini și n-am luat pizdon, prikini
S' vedi câ ii îs numa pi internet rechini
Ca niști câini legați la cușcă, hamăie, da' nu ti mușcă
Sperieți di și s-audi, mai rău ca di pușcă
Strușcâ s aleji, șini-nțăleji - ințăleji
Jăka n-ari fricâ di leji, Jăka fași lejea
Blejii comenteazâ, n-au cum s facâ mai mult
Jăka s distrează, campion absolut
N-am s uit nișodată, nișodată n-am s iert
Eu nu-s Mafia, bratan, eu îs mai rau, net-net


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Strofa 2:


Toati dvijăniile-s pi stop, când vini Jăka
Din buzunari tu scoți tot, să-i dăi lu Jăka
Când belești pula pi raion - îl suni pi Jăka
Te-o folosit ca pe-un gandon - da, Jăka, Jăka
Tot Jăka te-o-nvațat s șii pizdos la tini-n sat
Tu s pari că uiți, da' iaca Jăka n-o uitat
N-am fumat di vreo lunâ, s' nu crez că m-am lăsat
Băi, eu când n-am marfă bună, nu fumez mărar uscat
Iaca ieri m-am îmbătat, az ni-i rău ca nișodată
Da zato, m-am distrat - eu trăiesc numa odată
N-am regreti, frunză verdi eu nu tai la cuciu-cuciu
Dimineața m-am trezât lângă Nicoleta Luciu
Am ahuit di prihod, ni-am dat srazu două palmi
Iaca aista rasklad, așa prikoali mai dă Doamni
Când toatâ lumea doarmi, Jăka fași stratejii
Tari-i plac lu Jăka banii, vreu o mie de mii


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Îs Jăka și-s bandit x 4