Iranian GEDmatch kits

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Originally Posted by Nomansman

What would theyy be then? Could you point out which names arent iranian(apart from the ones with the arab sounding names)?

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1. I would suggest to remove the names in the sheet when you post these on here. (I dont know if they would be ok with this)
2. Only include the region when you are sure of it. (And if they confirmed it). You can put one "confirmed region" and another for "my guess". So that there are no misconceptions.
3. A lot of these names are Iraqi or arab. I was also suprised to find out how much Indian they scored when I looked up Southern Iraqi results.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

1. I would suggest to remove the names in the sheet when you post these on here. (I dont know if they would be ok with this)
2. Only include the region when you are sure of it. (And if they confirmed it)
3. A lot of these names are Iraqi or arab. I was also suprised to find out how much Indian they scored when I looked up Southern Iraqi results.

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Only the ones at the bottom you suspected to be iraqi or the ones between the iranians as well? I do think some of the "iranian" ones probably are arab.

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Originally Posted by Nomansman

Only the ones at the bottom you suspected to be iraqi or the ones between the iranians as well? I do think some of the "iranian" ones probably are arab.

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They were definetly arab and not even from Iran. If they would be from Iran the spelling would have been different. But names like "Al-Yousuf" or anything don't exist in Iran.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

They were definetly arab and not even from Iran. If they would be from Iran the spelling would have been different. But names like "Al-Yousuf" or anything don't exist in Iran.

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Yeah, i agree. THose with the "al" in their usernames are 100% arab. THough the reason i took some of the arabs for "iranian arabs" is because the fact that many of them get iranian matches on gedmatch rather than iraqi or just other matches.

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Originally Posted by Nomansman

Yeah, i agree. THose with the "al" in their usernames are 100% arab. THough the reason i took some of the arabs for "iranian arabs" is because the fact that many of them get iranian matches on gedmatch rather than iraqi or just other matches.

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You even labelled a good amount of them as "likely Iranian". Also it's not just about the "Al" Iranian names even those of arab tribesmen are written differently in general.

Yes that's the interesting question. Why they score like that. Maybe they are the real descendants of the Elamites and Sumerians. I once did a average out of 20 confirmed southern Iraqi results and they were very Indian shifted. Will post it later when I find them.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

You even labelled a good amount of them as "likely Iranian". Also it's not just about the "Al" Iranian names even those of arab tribesmen are written differently in general.

Yes that's the interesting question. Why they score like that. Maybe they are the real descendants of the Elamites and Sumerians. I once did a average out of 20 confirmed southern Iraqi results and they were very Indian shifted. Will post it later when I find them.

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But i dont do that for no reason. I label them as "Likely iranian" not necessarily as persian, but from Iran. ANd i do that because i found them under the matches of iranians. And they themselves get some iranian matches(not iraqi either, hence why i didnt add them there....but they might be from arabian area. Another sample placed around the iranian ones with very iranian results, apart from 8% SI, turned out to be from bahrain and seems to be an arab....so its hard to tell. But those types would be originally iranian).

Also, they arent really far from the iranian reference on gedmatch, pretty close to it many times


Anyway, it be nice to see those southern iraqi results when you post them. But i think theyre most likely south asian shifted because gypsie ancestry(if theyre much more south asian shifted than iranians). Gypsies seems to be a thing in Iraq.

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Originally Posted by Nomansman

But i dont do that for no reason. I label them as "Likely iranian" not necessarily as persian, but from Iran. ANd i do that because i found them under the matches of iranians. And they themselves get some iranian matches(not iraqi either, hence why i didnt add them there....but they might be from arabian area. Another sample placed around the iranian ones with very iranian results, apart from 8% SI, turned out to be from bahrain and seems to be an arab....so its hard to tell. But those types would be originally iranian).

Also, they arent really far from the iranian reference on gedmatch, pretty close to it many times


Anyway, it be nice to see those southern iraqi results when you post them. But i think theyre most likely south asian shifted because gypsie ancestry(if theyre much more south asian shifted than iranians). Gypsies seems to be a thing in Iraq.

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That's why I always say only confirmed ancestry results are relevant.
If you want to test for yourself. You should make averages out of confirmed results (n= at least 10) and make Vahaduo models with them. It helped me a lot with categorizing some strange results. For example some results you think of as "Khorasan" could be just Azeri+Persian (typical Tehran result)

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Originally Posted by Nomansman

But i dont do that for no reason. I label them as "Likely iranian" not necessarily as persian, but from Iran. ANd i do that because i found them under the matches of iranians.

But i think theyre most likely south asian shifted because gypsie ancestry(if theyre much more south asian shifted than iranians). Gypsies seems to be a thing in Iraq.

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Wouldn’t make sense because pretty much all the S Iraqi samples I’ve seen score decent S Indian. Can’t be that all S Iraqis are gypsies.

The more sensible explanation is like what kyp pointed out S Iraqis have Elamite ancestry because we knoe that’s where they moved to in addition to further east when they weee attacked ( you know the guys that spoke an extinct dravidian language and had alot of trading relationships with IVC). There could also be additional Indian admixture due to sea trade between persian gulf and India

The whole Eastern part of Iraq has traditionally been part of various persian empires that’s why the genetics in Iraq is different west of Euphrates river

To me S Iraqis even look Indian also

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

That's why I always say only confirmed ancestry results are relevant.
If you want to test for yourself. You should make averages out of confirmed results (n= at least 10) and make Vahaduo models with them. It helped me a lot with categorizing some strange results. For example some results you think of as "Khorasan" could be just Azeri+Persian (typical Tehran result)

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I changed the ones that could be azeris/partly azeris.

But the other ones 100% seems to be from the norht east

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Originally Posted by Zoro

Wouldn’t make sense because pretty much all the S Iraqi samples I’ve seen score decent S Indian. Can’t be that all S Iraqis are gypsies.

The more sensible explanation is like what kyp pointed out S Iraqis gave Elamite ancestry ( you know the guys that spoke an extinct dravidian language and had alot of trading relationships with IVC). There could also be additional Indian admixture due to sea trade between persian gulf and India

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COuld be indian then.

And the ones i suggest being mixed arent the ones with 5-8% SI, im talking about the ones hitting 9%+ SI(but those would probs also be partly indian....not IVC i assume, because i would imagine that admix from such long time ago to be largely washed away and not have that much of an influence in iraqi admix)