Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

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Originally Posted by Kadu

Every West Asian component that I've seen so far seems to be closely related with Northern European and specifically with NW European components. Your West Asian affinity is probably being represented and included in your Northern European affinity.

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That sounds bizarre. Any evidence to back this up? We are talking about two different corners of the continent here. Maybe you confuse it with North Asian (Siberian) that Finns have?

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Originally Posted by Loki

How do you assign the quality "European" to these groups?

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Because of where they peak.

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Obviously, it's not as simple as that. There are overlaps, and West Asian is present in most of Europe as a minority element, so it's nothing strange or foreign really. It is common knowledge that other Caucasoids like Iranians, Assyrians etc are closely related to Europeans - and one can see it phenotypically in many of them as well. Overall they are all part of the Caucasoid race, including Europeans.

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Well, but Caucasoid is much broader than European. Im talking about the specific european components, such as West Euro, East Euro, South Euro,etc. they all peak in European populations.

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Originally Posted by Iberia

Because of where they peak.

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So if the R1a haplogroup peaks in India, it is Asian? Or E necessarily African? It's not as simple as that, merely convenient for you to assert this.

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Originally Posted by Loki

That sounds bizarre. Any evidence to back this up? We are talking about two different corners of the continent here. Maybe you confuse it with North Asian (Siberian) that Finns have?

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No, no, just look the fst distances of the last Dodecad runs

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pw7x-HD7ON.../s1600/fst.png

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P2GJvQzlQW.../s1600/1_2.png


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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PmjCGIHFti.../s1600/Fst.png

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Originally Posted by Loki

So if the R1a haplogroup peaks in India, it is Asian? Or E necessarily African? It's not as simple as that, merely convenient for you to assert this.

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Yes, the R1a was born in Central Asia actually.

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Originally Posted by Kadu

No, no, just look the fst distances of the last Dodecad runs

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pw7x-HD7ON.../s1600/fst.png

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That doesn't even have Northern European.

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Originally Posted by Loki

That doesn't even have Northern European.

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The Western European component peaks in Ireland and Norway, that's pretty much Northern Europe to me.

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Originally Posted by Kadu

The Western European component peaks in Ireland and Norway, that's pretty much Northern Europe to me.

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I see what you mean now, but it still seems bizarre to me.

Conversely, if West Asian is so closely related to Northern European, it weakens Iberia's argument.

It's very clear the pattern followed :

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg42/...gif&res=medium

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Originally Posted by Iberia

It's very clear the pattern followed :

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg42/...gif&res=medium

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Thus, part and parcel of what we know as Europe. Without it Europeans wouldn't exist, save for perhaps the Basques.