Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

Interestingly, this is what War Chief gets. His mother is Gagauz and father is half Ossetian half Ukrainian-Russian

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War_Chief(Gagauz-Ossetian-Ukrainian),9.87,2.27,0,0.36,16.69,34.10,0.54,0,4.08,0,32.09,0

Target: War_Chief(Gagauz-Ossetian-Ukrainian)
Distance: 3.0718% / 3.07177481 | ADC: 0.5x
72.4        Bulgarian
23.2        Lak
2.4        Avar_Dagestan
2.0        Turk_Bulgaria

Target: War_Chief(Gagauz-Ossetian-Ukrainian)
Distance: 1.7154% / 1.71539716 | ADC: 0.25x
67.4        Bulgarian
26.6        Lak
3.2        Chuvash
1.6        North_Ossetians
1.2        Mordovian

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Originally Posted by Leto

You can run him through Vahaduo at:
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/dodecad-k12b-vahaduo.htm
Don't forget to click Distance. I personally discard a distance that is bigger than 3.0.
By the way, do you know what that person looks like? Must be heavily Mongoloid.

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Oh i just found him on a page about the genetics of Azerbaijanis, i thought it would be interesting to show him here. Unfortunately i have no idea about using calculators, also i am here with my mobile, some stuff which works well with laptop is working very bad with mobile. But the person also posted distances, they are ancient because i didnt post them. I wanted to copy that but even that doesn’t work sorry: https://www.facebook.com/10064671801...4752016603994/

Edit: i also dont know how the person looks like, the just know one person of partly nogay origin https://www.google.de/search?q=c%C3%...&bih=553&dpr=2.
But the Tatars in Turkey can look bery Asian.

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Oh i just found him on a page about the genetics of Azerbaijanis, i thought it would be interesting to show him here. Unfortunately i have no idea about using calculators, also i am here with my mobile, some stuff which works well with laptop is working very bad with mobile. But the person also posted distances, they are ancient because i didnt post them. I wanted to copy that but even that doesn’t work sorry: https://www.facebook.com/10064671801...4752016603994/

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Okay, I will run him in a minute. That page is in Azerbaijani, not the Turkish of Turkey. Can you read it freely? I actually learned a bit of Azerbaijani and Persian 6-7 years ago but don't know much aside from the general idea.

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He doesn't get a good fit. Don't know what kind of Tatar that could possibly be. 40% Mongoloid in Turkey? I know there's a couple of Siberian Tatar immigrant villages in Turkey, a Tatarstan TV channel once showed them, I watched the video 7 years ago or so.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Okay, I will run him in a minute. That page is in Azerbaijani, not the Turkish of Turkey. Can you read it freely? I actually learned a bit of Azerbaijani and Persian 6-7 years ago but don't know much aside from the general idea.

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Yes, even it makes fun to read, just Auerbaijanis have more loanwords, but you can derive them from context. I also wanted learn Persian but the beginners cours still costs over 100€.

I think it would be nice learning more about Azerbaijani genetics, i think about Anatolian Turks we have already many samples and informations. I even would bet there are Auerbaijanis who have more mongoloid than the most mongoloid Turk.

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Yes, even it makes fun to read, just Auerbaijanis have more loanwords, but you can derive them from context. I also wanted learn Persian but the beginners cours still costs over 100€.

I think it would be nice learning more about Azerbaijani genetics, i think about Anatolian Turks we have already many samples and informations. I even would bet there are Auerbaijanis who have more mongoloid than the most mongoloid Turk.

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Well, so far they have been barely 10% Mongoloid. I don't think there is much mystery about them. I do believe the average sits approximately at the same level as the data so far has shown. At least for the Republic of Azerbaijan which is the default Azerbaijan for me.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Okay, I will run him in a minute. That page is in Azerbaijani, not the Turkish of Turkey. Can you read it freely? I actually learned a bit of Azerbaijani and Persian 6-7 years ago but don't know much aside from the general idea.

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He doesn't get a good fit. Don't know what kind of Tatar that could possibly be. 40% Mongoloid in Turkey? I know there's a couple of Siberian Tatar immigrant villages in Turkey, a Tatarstan TV channel once showed them, I watched the video 7 years ago or so.

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According to the post its an Ethnic Nogai, according to the post they are supposedly supposed to have stronger Mongol input but most of the Nogai results I have seen are similar to Turkmens so maybe its a different group not sure

Distance to: BursaNogai
11.30918211 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
12.23454127 Karakalpak
14.41405564 Uzbeks
15.41267660 Uzbek
18.05756905 Bashkir
18.08401504 Kazakh
19.50270494 Uygur
19.68276657 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
22.22088882 Hazara
22.36920651 Kyrgyz
23.30561091 Kyrgyz_Bishkek
26.13307866 Nogais
27.96423251 Yoruk
28.54363852 Tatar_Kazan
29.32756212 Turk_Northwest
30.08059507 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
30.33406995 Tajik_Tajikistan
30.63361389 Turkmen_Iran
30.91023779 Turk_Bulgaria
31.01698728 Turk_Southwest
31.05219799 Turk_Romania
32.80868940 Turk_Greece
33.01547364 Altai
33.25223752 Turk_West_BlackSea
33.51796832 Turkmens

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, so far they have been barely 10% Mongoloid. I don't think there is much mystery about them. I do believe the average sits approximately at the same level as the data so far has shown. At least for the Republic of Azerbaijan which is the default Azerbaijan for me.

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When i started researching about genetics years ago, and i said it many times i know and probably will say it again many times, i saw a Azerbaijani guy who hadn’t even 10% east eurasian, but his Grandfather had around 30%. And there are Azerbaijani subgroups like Terekkemes for instance, comparable with Yörüks. I just saw one sample but the person was around 50% turkic, although his North European was low even for Azerbaijanis. But apart from that you are right, they are like Anatolian Turks, just Iranian shifted.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

According to the post its an Ethnic Nogai, according to the post they are supposedly supposed to have stronger Mongol input but most of the Nogai results I have seen are similar to Turkmens so maybe its a different group not sure

Distance to: BursaNogai
11.30918211 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
12.23454127 Karakalpak
14.41405564 Uzbeks
15.41267660 Uzbek
18.05756905 Bashkir
18.08401504 Kazakh
19.50270494 Uygur
19.68276657 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
22.22088882 Hazara
22.36920651 Kyrgyz
23.30561091 Kyrgyz_Bishkek
26.13307866 Nogais
27.96423251 Yoruk
28.54363852 Tatar_Kazan
29.32756212 Turk_Northwest
30.08059507 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
30.33406995 Tajik_Tajikistan
30.63361389 Turkmen_Iran
30.91023779 Turk_Bulgaria
31.01698728 Turk_Southwest
31.05219799 Turk_Romania
32.80868940 Turk_Greece
33.01547364 Altai
33.25223752 Turk_West_BlackSea
33.51796832 Turkmens

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According Wiki the place where the person comes from is mostly of Tatar origin, according the page the person is of Nogay origin. Both are probable but honestly i don’t know whether Nogays can be over 30/35% mongoloid.

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

According Wiki the place where the person comes from is mostly of Tatar origin, according the page the person is of Nogay origin. Both are probable but honestly i don’t know whether Nogays can be over 30/35% mongoloid.

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They are probably mixed Tatar/Nogai origin, honestly I don't think its possible for a "normal" Nogai to have more than 20 or 25% Mongoloid without being admixed

I believe there are two Nogai subgroups - the Kara Nogais and the Kuban Nogais. The former are more mongoloid, almost like Karakalpaks or Kazakhs whereas the latter are more Caucasian-admixed. That's because in the 17th century Nogais were pushed westwards by the incoming Kalmyks (the time when the Kalmyks came to what is now Kalmykia in Russia).