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It doesn't matter if some Neanderthals had proghnatism or not, because Kostenki wasn't Neanderthal, but human with little archaic admix
But it's huge proghnatism was one of the many factors of skull build which led Debec to clasiffy this fossil as non-european.Quote:
The Kostenki genome also contained, as with all people of Eurasia today, a small percentage of Neanderthal genes,
Everyting is in this PDF in my previous post, later I will try to translate it.
Wrong. It matters because Kostenski wasn't Veddoid, Australoid, Papuan or any such nonsense. He was a modern European. He lived at the same time Neanderthals did. He did not live anywhere near Veddoids or Australoids, who did not even exist. His Neanderthal admixture was large (equivalent of a great-great-great grandparent) and it was inherited at an earlier period of time, meaning he had larger mB portions of Neanderthal ancestry. All signs point to Neanderthals as the source of Kostenki's prognathism, as well as his broad nose, his protruding maxillary region, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by physical-anthro
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But it's huge proghnatism was one of the many factors of skull build which led Debec to clasiffy this fossil as non-european.
Everyting is in this PDF in my previous post, later I will try to translate it.
Debec is a fool like the rest of these Eastern European anthropologists who know nothing. Prognathism is as European as it gets, as are broad noses. Narrow noses and orthognathism came to Europe from east Africa. It is ancient east African crania that are actually orthognathic and have a narrow nasal index:
Kabwe:
http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites...like-holes.jpg
Herto:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/herto.jpg
Ancient European skull:
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/sima-...?cb=1428319010
You will never be able to enter Nirvana until you realize that you are wrong, and that anthropology isn't suited for you.
No broad nose = not European.
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grab the Gauge
Yes Grab, of course, you are right. You convinced me.
I have ideal example of 100% broad-nosed proto-European with proghnatism.
http://realhistoryww.com/world_histo...d_albino_3.JPG
Yamnaya skull:
https://www.sciencenews.org/sites/de...?itok=ztnNmxSN
European old-blood:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe042.jpg
http://www.nordish.org/bilder/troe041.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe064.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe065.jpg
Ivar the Boneless:
http://www.englishmonarchs.co.uk/ima...tn_warrior.jpg
Robert the Bruce:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/d...6bHu2jJnT8.png
Brymbo Man:
http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/images/city/brymboman.jpg
No broad nose = not European
I saw him alive, in TV and he looked like that:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grab the Gauge
http://cdn.breathecast.com/data/imag...in-vikings.jpg
These one too I saw in TV:Quote:
Robert the Bruce:
https://cinemaedebate.files.wordpres...-the-bruce.jpg
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MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results of Oase-1:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Indian 32.15
2 SouthEastAsian 19.94
3 Neolithic 10.5
4 Subsaharian 9.48
5 Steppe 7.46
6 Australian 6.69
7 NorthAfrican 4.58
8 NorthEastEuropean 3.92
9 Oceanic 2.79
10 Arctic 1.55
11 Ancestor 0.94
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Onge 19.07
2 Great_Andamanese 20.61
3 Gadaba 24.04
4 Brahmin 24.09
5 Bhunjia 24.27
6 Munda 24.37
7 Mawasi 24.39
8 Kharia 24.62
9 Savara 24.65
10 Ho 24.68
11 Bonda 24.75
12 Dhurwa 25.28
13 Juang 25.7
14 Sahariya 25.98
15 Dhaka 26.68
16 Santhal 26.93
17 Gond 27.01
18 Asur 28.07
19 Satnami 28.51
20 Jew 28.73
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.9% Gadaba + 32.1% Spanish @ 11.6
2 67.3% Kharia + 32.7% Spanish @ 11.87
3 67.3% Ho + 32.7% Spanish @ 11.94
4 70.9% Gadaba + 29.1% French @ 11.94
5 69.7% Gadaba + 30.3% Spanish @ 11.94
6 67.6% Munda + 32.4% Spanish @ 12.01
7 70.3% Kharia + 29.7% French @ 12.06
8 68.3% Mawasi + 31.7% Spanish @ 12.09
9 69.1% Kharia + 30.9% Spanish @ 12.1
10 69.4% Mawasi + 30.6% Spanish @ 12.11
11 70.6% Mawasi + 29.4% French @ 12.12
12 70.3% Ho + 29.7% French @ 12.12
13 68% Gadaba + 32% Portuguese @ 12.15
14 69.1% Ho + 30.9% Spanish @ 12.16
15 67.7% Mawasi + 32.3% Spanish @ 12.19
16 69.4% Gadaba + 30.6% Spanish @ 12.21
17 69.5% Mawasi + 30.5% Spanish @ 12.25
18 67.9% Bhunjia + 32.1% Spanish @ 12.28
19 66.2% Juang + 33.8% Spanish @ 12.28
20 66.7% Dhurwa + 33.3% Spanish @ 12.28
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dhurwa +50% Spanish @ 17.215548
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ho +25% Siddi +25% Spanish @ 9.415039
Does it has some Y?Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
Bump
maybe gypsies are longer in europe then previously thought?Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
Or maybe modern Europeans came from other places of the worldQuote:
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