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#188768 and #243233 differ on 11 STR mutations on 67 markers. #160234 and #188768 differ on 11 STR mutations (if I counted them properly) on 67 markers.
All three FGC8712 sublineages appear to be bottlenecked. Almost all of L859 samples have common ancestor who lived about 1500 years ago. Z18271 expands quite violently, I suppose that its age may be about 3800 years. E-V13-CTS1273 expands more violently than Z18271, but this lineage probably started expansion on the Old Continent (possibly Balkans region).
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#91238 and #343472 differ on 5 mutations on 67 markers. #343472 and #275784 differ on 2 mutations on 37 markers.
#343472 and #75516 differs only on 3 mutations at 67 markers. #343472 is negative for ZS2121 and #75516 is positive for ZS2121 (along with #155666). #343472 is ZS2108+, ZS2109+, ZS2111+, ZS2113+, ZS2114+, ZS2115+, ZS2116+, ZS2117+, ZS2118+, ZS2119+, ZS2120+, ZS2124+, ZS2125+, ZS2126+, ZS2127+, ZS2102+, ZS2104+ (so shared at least 17 SNPs with #75516 and #155666).
#343472 and #155666 differs on 7 mutations on 67 markers.
#75516 and #155666 differs on 6 mutations on 67 markers, so STR distance between them is higher than STR distance between #75516 and #343472 although SNP distance between #75516 and #343472 is higher than between #75516 and #155666. So maybe ZS2102 lineage is older than it seems.
#319752 and #243233 differ on 10 mutations on 37 markers.
#661032 and #M8985 differ on 13(?) mutations on 37 markers and belong to FGC10500 branch. Vast majority of FGC8712 samples on Genogenea's tree belong to FGC10500 branch.
I am interested if FGC8712 is the haplogroup of Abraham. All FGC8712 lineages are bottlenecked so far. Z18271 appears to be better candidate for Israelite haplogroup, because it expanded quite rapidly. Age of Z18271 may be much older than suggested 2623 ybp.
On J2 haplogroup branch Z2177 expands quite violently. TMRCA of Z2177 is estimated as 3200 ybp by YFull (and YFull estimations may be 20 - 25% too low).
J2-FGC35489 has estimated TMRCA of 3800 ybp and there are four branches of it: two FGC35489*, FGC35499 and Z39975.
J2-YP879 has estimated TMRCA of 4700 ybp (I do not believe in it, because there was deluge which ecompasses entire Earth about 4500 ybp) and there are four branches of it: three YP879* (two from Armenia, 1 from Italy) and Y31162 (found in Saudi Arabia and Armenia).
J2-Z8096 has estimated TMRCA of 6100 ybp (I do not believe in it, because there was deluge which ecompasses entire Earth about 4500 ybp) and there are six or even seven branches of it: four or even five YZ8096*, S8230 and Y20051.
In J2 haplogroup I do not see as good candidates for Abraham's haplogroup as J1-Z18271 or J1-FGC8712 (or maybe even entire YSC234 clade).
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he was probably j
if such person truly existed :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
Hudayar
He could be anything
Nope. He couldn't.
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Are you Jewish? Is your Y DNA haplogroup J1? Then Abraham is J1? Not J1 but some other haplogroup? Then Abraham is whatever your haplogroup is.
He's very flexible, genetically speaking.
But, seriously, since he was from the region of Harran (not Ur as erroneously claimed by a certain British archaeologist) in Northern Mesopotamia (AKA Padan Aram or Aram Naharaim), we can't rule out R1B (which originated in that general region), especially as that haplogroup can be found in Arab populations that would have had very little contact with Atlantid Europeans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R-M269
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He was one of the Annunaki who effortlessly altered his appearance to that of the authoritative mien of a Charlton Heston type.
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Mark76
we can't rule out R1B
It is sensless, as R1b is Japhethite, and Abraham was a Semite.
But he could have some Indoeuropean admix because Esau probably was reddish.
As both Esau's parents came from Terach, then he could be a source or it.
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Dick
probably I1
Probably, even certainly, not.