Gencove Ancestry Results Update

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Originally Posted by El Litvino

Calc is good, Brexit was bad. Poles are more British than Brits! ;)

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lol :rotfl:
what about eastern poles can you please ask mlukasz to upload his raw data to this gencove nounsense :)

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Originally Posted by Albannach

Not sure what the Northern British isles cluster even represents, or what makes it distinct from the Northern and Central Europe cluster? maybe some kind of Celtic/Scandinavian hybrid?

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Yeah that's what I think.

Northern British looks like Celtic (maybe only Caledonian?) + some Germanic but without any continental Istvaeonic and Irminonic (which are groups ancestral to most Germans). BTW, here are my results in K47 calculator:

2.10% North-Iberian
0.80% East-Iberian
0.10% North-African
4.31% South-Caucasian
0.12% North-Caucasian
1.33% Paleo-Balkan
3.56% East-Med
30.09% East-Euro
13.82% North-Sea_Germanic
12.88% Celtic
6.02% West-Finnic
7.09% Scando-Germanic
0.05% Iranian
11.95% Baltic
1.41% West-Med
0.83% Pamirian
3.54% Central-Med

By the way, North Britain and Poland used to have related Celtic tribes:

Lugidunon / Lugidunum (= Legnica or Głogów, in Poland)
Luguvalium (= Carlisle in Cumbria, in northern England)
Lugudunum / Lugdunum (= Lyon, in Rhône-Alpes, France)
Lugdunum Batavorum (= Leiden, in Zuid-Holland, the Netherlands)
Lugdunum Convenarum (= Saint-Bertrand-de-Comminges)

Celtic ethnoses called Lugii (later Lugiorum nomen - the Lugian federation), Lugi, Luggones and Lougei lived in these three areas:

1) Poland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugii

"The Lugii (or Legii, Lugi, Lygii, Ligii, Lugiones, Lygians, Ligians, Lugians, or Lougoi) were a large tribal confederation mentioned by Roman authors living in ca. 100 BC–300 AD in Central Europe, north of the Sudetes mountains in the basin of upper Oder and Vistula rivers, covering most of modern south and middle Poland (regions of Silesia, Greater Poland, Mazovia and Little Poland)."

2) North Britain:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...lemy/2/2*.html

"(...) from the Lemannonis bay as far as the Varar estuary are the Caledoni, and above these is the Caledonian forest, from which toward the east are the Decantae, and next to these the Lugi extending to the Cornavi boundary, and above the Lugi are the Smertae; below Caledonia are the Vacomagi, among whom are the following towns (...)"

3) Iberia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astures#Origins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Ro...ninsula#Celtic

"The Transmontani, placed between the Navia River and the central massif of the Picos de Europa, comprised the Cabarci, Iburri, Luggones, Paesici, Paenii, Saelini, Vinciani, Viromenici, Brigaentini and Baedunienses; the Cismontani comprised the Amaci, Cabruagenigi, Lancienses, Lougei, Tiburi, Orniaci, Superatii, Gigurri, Zoelae and Susarri (which dwelled around Asturica Augusta, in the Astura river valley, and was the main Astur town in Roman times). Prior to the Roman conquest in the late 1st century BC, they were united into a tribal federation with the mountain-top citadel of Asturica (Astorga) as their capital."

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I'm guessing that Northern Britain has no any Wesser-Rhine and Elbe Germanic ancestry (and probably their Celtic represents Caledonians):

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qim...c5487ecbfd179c

for peeps who have imgur blocked

https://i.hizliresim.com/W76MBQ.png

Gaelic ancestry will be counted as "Northern and Central" because Gaels came from Ireland. So Gaelic is not part of "North British", I guess.

You know I'm just trying to rationalize this.

Another explanation is that it is just crap.

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Originally Posted by El Litvino

Gaelic ancestry will be counted as "Northern and Central" because Gaels came from Ireland. So Gaelic is not part of "North British", I guess.

You know I'm just trying to rationalize this.

Another explanation is that it is just crap.

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probably
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Originally Posted by kingjohn

probably
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If we apply Ockham's razor principle then yes. OTOH, I do have Scottish Y-DNA matches (Chisholms and Olivers) as my closest matches.

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Originally Posted by El Litvino

Yeah that's what I think.

Northern British looks like Celtic (maybe only Caledonian?) + some Germanic but without any continental Istvaeonic and Irminonic (which are groups ancestral to most Germans). BTW, here are my results in K47 calculator:

2.10% North-Iberian
0.80% East-Iberian
0.10% North-African
4.31% South-Caucasian
0.12% North-Caucasian
1.33% Paleo-Balkan
3.56% East-Med
30.09% East-Euro
13.82% North-Sea_Germanic
12.88% Celtic
6.02% West-Finnic
7.09% Scando-Germanic
0.05% Iranian
11.95% Baltic
1.41% West-Med
0.83% Pamirian
3.54% Central-Med

By the way, North Britain and Poland used to have related Celtic tribes:

Lugidunon / Lugidunum (= Legnica or Głogów, in Poland)
Luguvalium (= Carlisle in Cumbria, in northern England)
Lugudunum / Lugdunum (= Lyon, in Rhône-Alpes, France)
Lugdunum Batavorum (= Leiden, in Zuid-Holland, the Netherlands)
Lugdunum Convenarum (= Saint-Bertrand-de-Comminges)

Celtic ethnoses called Lugii (later Lugiorum nomen - the Lugian federation), Lugi, Luggones and Lougei lived in these three areas:

1) Poland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugii

"The Lugii (or Legii, Lugi, Lygii, Ligii, Lugiones, Lygians, Ligians, Lugians, or Lougoi) were a large tribal confederation mentioned by Roman authors living in ca. 100 BC–300 AD in Central Europe, north of the Sudetes mountains in the basin of upper Oder and Vistula rivers, covering most of modern south and middle Poland (regions of Silesia, Greater Poland, Mazovia and Little Poland)."

2) North Britain:

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...lemy/2/2*.html

"(...) from the Lemannonis bay as far as the Varar estuary are the Caledoni, and above these is the Caledonian forest, from which toward the east are the Decantae, and next to these the Lugi extending to the Cornavi boundary, and above the Lugi are the Smertae; below Caledonia are the Vacomagi, among whom are the following towns (...)"

3) Iberia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astures#Origins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Ro...ninsula#Celtic

"The Transmontani, placed between the Navia River and the central massif of the Picos de Europa, comprised the Cabarci, Iburri, Luggones, Paesici, Paenii, Saelini, Vinciani, Viromenici, Brigaentini and Baedunienses; the Cismontani comprised the Amaci, Cabruagenigi, Lancienses, Lougei, Tiburi, Orniaci, Superatii, Gigurri, Zoelae and Susarri (which dwelled around Asturica Augusta, in the Astura river valley, and was the main Astur town in Roman times). Prior to the Roman conquest in the late 1st century BC, they were united into a tribal federation with the mountain-top citadel of Asturica (Astorga) as their capital."

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I'm guessing that Northern Britain has no any Wesser-Rhine and Elbe Germanic ancestry (and probably their Celtic represents Caledonians):

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qim...c5487ecbfd179c

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Orcadians are essentially a Caledonian/Norwegian hybrid so it would make sense that is what the Northern British isles cluster is I suppose. But I'm still mystified How people who have no links to Scotland can get far more than me when I'm from the place, doesn't really make sense, and neither does my 5% Northern Italian.

I don't think because the tribes ect have names that start with Lug necessarily means they were related. Lug or in Gaelic Lugh was a celtic god, so it's more likely that they worshipped the same deities and that is where they got their name from. Although it is possible I suppose when you consider how far spread the Celts were. Interestingly I seem to be quite close to Czech on a few Gedmatch calculators.

Talking about calculators, where can I get the K47 Calculator? is it on Gedmatch?

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Originally Posted by El Litvino

If we apply Ockham's razor principle then yes. OTOH, I do have Scottish Y-DNA matches (Chisholms and Olivers) as my closest matches.

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joe pickrell algoritm took all my slavic genes
no forgivness :cry
i prefer k29 or even dna tribes snp even my origins 2.0 with the lousy sefhardic refernce is better :coffee:

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Originally Posted by Albannach

and neither does my 5% Northern Italian.

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Romans! :) But where did my Northern Italian come from? LOL.

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Originally Posted by Albannach

where can I get the K47 Calculator? is it on Gedmatch?

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It's not on GEDmatch. You can run it on your computer using DIY.

Or you can send me your raw data and I'll run it for you.

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Originally Posted by Albannach

Orcadians are essentially a Caledonian/Norwegian hybrid

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Norwegians apparently have some Polish-like DNA, according to this new study on Irish genetics (see Supplementary Figure 6. below):

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17124-4

https://static-content.springer.com/...MOESM1_ESM.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/b8tknJM.png