Iron Age Croatia ?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

He is South Italian, nice, and cluster with Greeks.

You jumped on me because you are disatisfied this sample is closest to Italians from Bergamo, that is all.
It's different from modern Albanians.

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Not about that, we discussed this before and of course northern illyrians would be closer to northern Italian than us, just as we have a cline within us, from north to south. I objected to the west med - east med like comparisson

closest fit I could get.

"fit": 2.4962,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 42.5,
"HRV_MBA": 36.67,
"CZE_Early_Slav": 20.83,
"HRV_Early_IA": 0,
"closestDistances": [
"HRV_MBA:I4331: 4.111448",
"HRV_MBA:I4332: 4.433221",
"HRV_Early_IA:I3313: 5.280019",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9041: 6.788481",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9033: 7.400296",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9006: 7.482676",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9010: 8.547160",
"CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569: 10.736587"

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Originally Posted by Hulu

Not about that, we discussed this before and of course northern illyrians would be closer to northern Italian than us, just as we have a cline within us, from north to south. I objected to the west med - east med like comparisson

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Ok, but by west med I don't mean component itself (peak in Sardinia which is very different genetically). By west med I mean that cluster (geographically), Iberia + North Italy

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

He is South Italian, nice, and cluster with Greeks.

You jumped on me because you are disatisfied this sample is closest to Italians from Bergamo, that is all.
It's different from modern Albanians.

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Half Campanian which is more central and quarter northern.

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Originally Posted by MagnusDark

closest fit I could get.

"fit": 2.4962,
"GRC_Mycenaean": 42.5,
"HRV_MBA": 36.67,
"CZE_Early_Slav": 20.83,
"HRV_Early_IA": 0,
"closestDistances": [
"HRV_MBA:I4331: 4.111448",
"HRV_MBA:I4332: 4.433221",
"HRV_Early_IA:I3313: 5.280019",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9041: 6.788481",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9033: 7.400296",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9006: 7.482676",
"GRC_Mycenaean:I9010: 8.547160",
"CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569: 10.736587"

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That's a very good fit.

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Originally Posted by Hulu

Half Campanian which is more central and quarter northern.

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Genetically he is more southern than he expected, go and ask him. But that is not important!

I tried to lower my fit with Hallstat and/or medieval German samples, didn't work out.

This remain my best fit :)

"fit": 2.9161,

"HUN_Avar_Szolad": 60.83,
"HRV_MBA": 39.17,

Magnus look like ancient Greek + Illyrian + Slavic mix, until we get south Illyrian samples at least. They should be between those first 2

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Genetically he is more southern than he expected, go and ask him. But that is not important!

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But what's your point really? You said Illyrians are like north Italians. When they are in fact north Illyrian by location. Just as Italians have a north to south cline so do we.

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Originally Posted by Hulu

But what's your point really? You said Illyrians are like north Italians. When they are in fact north Illyrian by location. Just as Italians have a north to south cline so do we.

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Can be, but we don't know until you get ancient Albanian samples. I am obviously speaking about Illyrians from my own country, modeling with them work for me.