Proto-Bulgars were an Irano-Caucasian people(?)

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

Alfatlar was either a mixed Turkish/Bulgarian village or a Turkish village. I mean, even its current name is Turkish and there are three more Turkish villages with the same name. But there are only a few Turks now.

Bulgarian Wikipedia claims it is Bulgarian since 1571, and the name Alfatar is Proto-Bulgar. Proto-Bulgars lived before 1571, yet the village is not present in 1530.


See the geolocation of it and the presence of Bulgarian villages in 1530. In red circles. The rest is Turkish.

https://i.ibb.co/Ttjsx9f/Ads-z.png




Exactly.

Eastern Bulgarians = A mix of Western Bulgarians, Greeks, Thracian Bulgarians + Actual Eastern Bulgarians.

Gagauz = Actual Eastern Bulgarians + Greeks + Bulgarians who moved to Moldova.

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So you said my ancestors lived in very Turkish area, but I do not have matches from there. I do not know, my situation with relatives is weird and these matches you told me match me on Eastern European segments. 23andme gave me Anatolian, which stays on 90% confidence, but I still do not know what is it

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Originally Posted by Abriekman

So you said my ancestors lived in very Turkish area, but I do not have matches from there. I do not know, my situation with relatives is weird and these matches you told me match me on Eastern European segments. 23andme gave me Anatolian, which stays on 90% confidence, but I still do not know what is it

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Your Bulgarian is very minor, 6.25%, so hypothetically even if it was Balkan Turkish, it wouldn't be noticeable in you autosomally since Balkan Turks are 70-80% native Balkanite (pre-Ottoman).

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Originally Posted by Abriekman

So you said my ancestors lived in very Turkish area, but I do not have matches from there. I do not know, my situation with relatives is weird and these matches you told me match me on Eastern European segments. 23andme gave me Anatolian, which stays on 90% confidence, but I still do not know what is it

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Well, being half Pomak, I have only 2 Pomak matches.

Imagine the situation at 6.25%. Leto is correct in this sense. S-he could be either Bulgarian or Turkish. Even if we assume was Turkish, there is a good chance you did not inherit the Turkic part of the admixture. This is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Even if we assume s-he was Bulgarian, we still don't know when they arrived in Alfatlar and from where.

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

Well, being half Pomak, I have only 2 Pomak matches.

Imagine the situation at 6.25%. Leto is correct in this sense. S-he could be either Bulgarian or Turkish. Even if we assume was Turkish, there is a good chance you did not inherit the Turkic part of the admixture. This is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Even if we assume s-he was Bulgarian, we still don't know when they arrived in Alfatlar and from where.

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If you can, send to me Bulgarian or Bulgarian Turk Gedmatch kits from all regions of Bulgaria you have and I will check if some of them match me on Balkan or Anatolian segments assigned by 23andme

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Originally Posted by Abriekman

If you can, send to me Bulgarian or Bulgarian Turk Gedmatch kits from all regions of Bulgaria you have and I will check if some of them match me on Balkan or Anatolian segments assigned by 23andme

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I sent.

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

I sent.

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Thank you, I checked every match you sent me and I do not match any Bulgarian or Turk unfortunately to prove anything, maybe if more people from Bulgaria will be tested I will know something

Since my Sephardic ancestry is not known and i confirmed it only by my matches it is possible I am really not 1/16, but 1/32 in case of having Balkan Turkish, because to my knowledge it is more southern shifted population, I think I will know more about it when i will ask my family, i can't assume I have this ancestry unfortunately, because It can not be confirmed, at least now

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

I sent.

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I have a question. If Bulgarian Turks moved from Alfatar to Ukraine, why they became Bulgarians by surnames and identity or they were Bulgarians in this case?

[QUOTE = Abriekman; 6997124] Имам въпрос. Ако българските турци са се преместили от Алфатар в Украйна, защо са станали българи по фамилии и самоличност или в този случай са били българи? [/ ЦИТАТ]

Dear boy, there are no Turks who have moved to Ukraine. The only Bulgarian population During the Middle Ages the settlement was in a period of prosperity. This area is the center of the Bulgarian kingdom, located between the capitals Pliska and Preslav, and Drustar / in the tenth century Drustar was the Danube residence of the Bulgarian khans and patriarchs /. Remains of a stone fortress in the Kilnik area / military-strategic, administrative and religious center /, medieval settlements and fortresses in the Karaula, Suhata Cheshma areas, as well as a monastic colony along the Kanagyol riverbed - the center of rock monasteries - have been found. dated to the tenth century.
For the epoch of the Second Bulgarian Kingdom in this region there are no serious methodological researches.
According to incompletely confirmed data at the beginning of the Ottoman expansion, the village had more than 700 houses. The earliest document / from 1573-1574 / shows that the population is purely Bulgarian. As such, it is preserved until the Liberation. During the second half of the 15th-17th centuries, significant demographic changes took place in Dobrogea. As a result of the Russo-Turkish War of 1768-1774, many Bulgarian villages in these lands changed their appearance. Some of the inhabitants of this region emigrated to Russia and Wallachia
In August 1773, during the war, 400 families from the village emigrated to the Russian Empire. The following year, they founded the village of Olshanka in the lands designated for the then-emerging Bug Cossack Army. Disappointed with the barren lands, many Bulgarians decided to return to their homeland, but were repressed and forced to stay in Olshanka. After the Russo-Turkish War of 1828-1829, settlers from Sliven and Yambol settled in Alfatar. At the time of the liberation from Turkish rule it had 2,039 inhabitants and was among the largest villages in Dobrudzha.

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Originally Posted by PAGANE

[QUOTE = Abriekman; 6997124] Имам въпрос. Ако българските турци са се преместили от Алфатар в Украйна, защо са станали българи по фамилии и самоличност или в този случай са били българи? [/ ЦИТАТ]

Dear boy, there are no Turks who have moved to Ukraine. The only Bulgarian population During the Middle Ages the settlement was in a period of prosperity. This area is the center of the Bulgarian kingdom, located between the capitals Pliska and Preslav, and Drustar / in the tenth century Drustar was the Danube residence of the Bulgarian khans and patriarchs /. Remains of a stone fortress in the Kilnik area / military-strategic, administrative and religious center /, medieval settlements and fortresses in the Karaula, Suhata Cheshma areas, as well as a monastic colony along the Kanagyol riverbed - the center of rock monasteries - have been found. dated to the tenth century.
For the epoch of the Second Bulgarian Kingdom in this region there are no serious methodological researches.
According to incompletely confirmed data at the beginning of the Ottoman expansion, the village had more than 700 houses. The earliest document / from 1573-1574 / shows that the population is purely Bulgarian. As such, it is preserved until the Liberation. During the second half of the 15th-17th centuries, significant demographic changes took place in Dobrogea. As a result of the Russo-Turkish War of 1768-1774, many Bulgarian villages in these lands changed their appearance. Some of the inhabitants of this region emigrated to Russia and Wallachia
In August 1773, during the war, 400 families from the village emigrated to the Russian Empire. The following year, they founded the village of Olshanka in the lands designated for the then-emerging Bug Cossack Army. Disappointed with the barren lands, many Bulgarians decided to return to their homeland, but were repressed and forced to stay in Olshanka. After the Russo-Turkish War of 1828-1829, settlers from Sliven and Yambol settled in Alfatar. At the time of the liberation from Turkish rule it had 2,039 inhabitants and was among the largest villages in Dobrudzha.

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Kaspias said, village Alfatar was most likely Turkish-Bulgarian or Turkish village. Look at ethnic map of Balkans in 18 century

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