Haplogroup profile of Indigenous(Proto)Europeans - Identified and Unidentified.

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Originally Posted by Universe

1.How do you know they didn't look Cro-magnid? You can inherit facial features from Cro-magnon people without having a huge jaw, prominent cheekbones etc. Modern Europeans are between 20% and 50% WHG (Sicilian vs Estonian). Ethnicities that are 30, 40 or 50% WHG obviously get a lot of their traits from WHGs.2. It's impossible to be 1/3 or 1/2 something and not inherit anything from that race at all. Just compare half Asian half White people to full Whites or compare a group of 10 Half Finnish-Half Greek individuals to a group of 10 pure Finns. If you removed all WHG admixture from Europeans, they'd look quite different and not only the previously big jawed individuals would start to look different.

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1.Because they simply didn't.

2.Its fully possible. I will do a quick example. This polish man on the left will who I randomly found will be more WHG and less Neolithic admixed than me and I still end up having a more CM appearance thanks to the right gene expression.

I don't really know what kind of WHG I will have since I never bothered to do those kind tests but in any case it will not be higher than an average Pole.

https://i.postimg.cc/76dwR7X4/5d0205...ae13e1f2b5.jpg

So In the end correct gene expression trumps all, various admixtures can definitely stay silent on your phenotype regardless of percentage.

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Originally Posted by Chaos One

I mean, Jomon era is one thing while you can make distinctions between Japanese HG (D1a) and Ainu (C1a).

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That would make sense, but the problem is, that Ainu are mostly D. Are there some archeo samples?

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Originally Posted by Universe

Modern Europeans are between 20% and 50% WHG (Sicilian vs Estonian).

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Where did you get this? WHG in european populations is much less than that.

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Originally Posted by Shubotai

Cultured MENA (trying to get a passport)
J2b
E1b

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gib pasporto


Seriously what happened to C?

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Originally Posted by Rethel

That would make sense, but the problem is, that Ainu are mostly D. Are there some archeo samples?

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"On the other hand, the Ainu exhibited no other Y-haplogroups (C-M8, O-M175*, and O-M122*) common in mainland Japanese and Okinawans. It is noteworthy that the rest of the Ainu gene pool was occupied by the paternal lineage (Y-haplogroup C-M217*) from North Asia including Sakhalin."

I mean, probably the majority are in fact D but some were C and that's why.

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Originally Posted by Rethel

Where did you get this? WHG in european populations is much less than that.

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https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ns-Spreadsheet

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Originally Posted by Linebacker

I didn't even know Villabruna had identified haplogroups. What about mtdna?

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Villabruna's mtdna was U5b2b same as

Rochedane
Paglicci 71
Continenza 7
STANKOa
Iboussieres39
VLASA41
VLASA44
C. Cocina-25-7-41-capa 2;CC1
HJDK_21
HJDK_31
Grave 84, S5885.E1.L1

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Originally Posted by Unknown European

Villabruna's mtdna was U5b2b same as

Rochedane
Paglicci 71
Continenza 7
STANKOa
Iboussieres39
VLASA41
VLASA44
C. Cocina-25-7-41-capa 2;CC1
HJDK_21
HJDK_31
Grave 84, S5885.E1.L1

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So that`s really weird. A stray R1b Indo in the middle of Mesolithic Europe, and he had the same mtdna as most Natives.

Its either some huge coincidence or Indo-European origins are not what they are believed to be.

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Originally Posted by Universe

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ns-Spreadsheet

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It is wrong. Too old. Maybe counting parially some EHG as WHG. Even logically not possible, if for example SHG had allready 50% of it, Neolithic Balkans 2%, Cucuteni 20%, GAC 25%. And then Indoeuropeans arrived, and surelly did not bring with themselves so much whg, to make this even higher than in neolithic local community. Quite opposite, not only this dropped because of the huge new population, but was yet additionaly decimated by wars, gnocides and diseases.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7f/fd...27b2515b7f.jpg

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Originally Posted by Linebacker

So that`s really weird. A stray R1b Indo in the middle of Mesolithic Europe, and he had the same mtdna as most Natives.

Its either some huge coincidence or Indo-European origins are not what they are believed to be.

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Nothing strange. There were some single wanderings on the east and west from Indoeuropean urururheimat, long before Coirded and Yamnaya expantion, so, you have Villabruna, Iboussieres, Irongates from the one side, Maltaboy, Lokomotiv, Botai aso from the other. It was very wise to marry a local women, to not to die from inbreeding. Such migrations could have 5-30 people max, so, it is logical, that they would make wife trade with local people. This is also the reason of, why EHG admix appeard in late Wuhageans resulting in light eyes. Just life.