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03-20-2021, 01:23 AM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Greece_MBA_Log04 from Middle Bronze Age is closest to Macedonian Average, I think you need Middle/Late Bronze Age samples for some ethnicities to be modeled?
Also I see always funny to modeling some ethnicity with samples with period difference of 800-1000 years? And Sungir6 have at least 30% Paleo-Balkanic admix.
Top3 ancient closest.

That Scythian sample is redundant and sensless because it represents a mix of "real" Scythians and some kind of a Bell Beaker-like population. It plots between Balkan Slavs and North Italians. Otherwise your model just seems to change the breakdown of the Paleo-Balkan ancestry and not it's actual amount.
03-20-2021, 01:51 AM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Yeah if we talk about Sunghir6 it have Balkanic admix, in fact also Czech early slav sample have Balkanic admix.

It doesn't. Early Czech Slav has local Celtic substratum ,(which is SW shifted compared to proto Slavs), both samples have nothing to do with Balkans.
03-20-2021, 09:31 PM
CommonSense

Decided to take up Feiichy's idea for myself. I'd say the sampling here is fair considering the absurdely low distances to all of the balkan averages, but if you have any suggestions, feel free to add.

Spoiler!

Paleo_Balkan:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15 ,12.62,23.19,10.39,15.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp,33.68,12.0 2,24.41,7.67,19.60,1.39,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.23,0.00,0 .00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp,30.68,13.0 0,27.73,10.03,16.07,0.60,0.00,1.05,0.00,0.21,0.00, 0.00,0.64
Paleo_Balkan:MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_,17.31,16.47,24 .79,14.47,21.96,1.38,0.00,0.00,1.28,1.76,0.58,0.00 ,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_,18.69,1.27 ,31.47,12.51,27.61,2.03,0.00,0.87,0.24,0.00,0.87,3 .47,0.98
Paleo_Balkan:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8.75, 3.24,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.80,0. 58,0.00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48 ,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:Canaanite_,1.63,0.00,14.65,1 5.10,51.26,17.37,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0
Eastern_Mediterranean:Greek_Cappadocian,6.83,3.81, 18.16,27.6,36.59,4.92,0.94,0.03,0.64,0.03,0.4,0,0
Eastern_Mediterranean:R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperi al,8.94,4.56,21.96,20.12,34.47,7.02,1.72,0.93,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.26,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_I mperial,6.85,0.00,21.95,22.60,37.03,8.91,0.98,0.75 ,0.00,0.00,0.22,0.00,0.71
Eastern_Mediterranean:R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_I mperial,2.63,8.50,21.08,27.13,34.24,5.03,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.84,0.55,0.00,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imper ial,2.93,0.00,17.45,22.44,37.80,13.78,2.10,0.71,0. 00,0.02,0.31,2.45,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:R1551_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imper ial,5.31,0.00,12.60,36.12,34.89,8.22,2.15,0.72,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Slavic:Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_,25. 54,45.76,13.11,4.08,6.15,0.53,0.00,0.00,2.60,1.08, 0.58,0.53,0.00
Slavic:AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_,3 0.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00,1.56,0.8 9,0.00,0.42,0.00
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26, 8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Slavic:Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.5 3,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0.13,1.42,0.62
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63, 3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86,0.48,1.27,0
Slavic:Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454,25.59,45.53,14. 97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0,0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11 .7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43. 78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0. 87
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK272,27.1,42.86,8.3 7,4.01,8.44,3.37,1.6,0,1.68,2.01,0,0,0.56
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340,28.29,43.29,9. 89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0.1,0,1.12,0
Germanic:ADA119_Slovakia_Poprad_1600_R_U106_U4b3_3 75_AD_2_,53.37,27.59,18.52,0.33,0.19,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Germanic:RISE174_Sweden_IA.SG_1431_ybp,48.47,30.87 ,7.80,5.77,0.58,0.36,2.19,0.00,1.18,1.06,0.56,0.17 ,1.00
Germanic:Alh1_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1500_ybp,5 0.39,26.23,13.00,5.30,0.00,1.40,0.00,1.70,0.00,1.1 1,0.49,0.38,0.00
Germanic:Alh10_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1489_ybp, 50.82,27.96,8.13,4.15,4.48,1.91,0.67,0.31,0.00,1.2 9,0.29,0.00,0.00
Germanic:SZ12_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,47.25,26. 28,10.75,7.04,5.01,0.00,1.09,0.00,0.00,0.90,1.69,0 .00,0.00
Germanic:SZ15_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,49.81, 25.15,10.68,7.88,0.66,1.04,2.67,1.49,0.62,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00
Turkic:ADA101_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1716_ybp,1 5.48,20.81,0.00,25.74,0.00,0.00,10.64,6.48,15.16,4 .45,0.00,0.00,1.24
Turkic:ADA104_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1600_ybp,1 6.18,18.94,0.00,18.27,0.00,0.00,8.84,7.48,25.18,4. 61,0.15,0.35,0.00
Turkic:ADA105_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_son.DA104. SG_1783_ybp,15.25,20.57,0.86,20.19,0.00,0.00,6.40, 8.60,25.03,3.10,0.00,0.00,0.00
Turkic:ADA385_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1467_ybp,1 5.92,19.74,0.00,17.23,0.00,0.00,8.70,8.58,24.42,4. 84,0.00,0.00,0.56
Turkic:ADA65_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1511_ybp,23 .89,17.03,0.00,14.40,0.00,0.00,5.83,10.23,21.70,5. 38,0.04,0.00,1.49
Turkic:ADA66_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1447_ybp,14 .78,23.68,0.00,13.28,0.00,0.00,9.32,7.37,24.16,3.4 6,2.08,0.00,1.86
Turkic:ADA69_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1516_ybp,17 .53,18.31,0.00,24.71,1.09,0.00,9.68,5.25,20.35,2.8 9,0.20,0.00,0.00

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 0.3803% / 0.38028983
56.7 Slavic
25.3 Germanic
10.8 Paleo_Balkan
7.2 Eastern_Mediterranean

Target: Croat
Distance: 0.2564% / 0.25638615
59.3 Slavic
16.1 Germanic
15.6 Paleo_Balkan
9.0 Eastern_Mediterranean

Target: Bosniak
Distance: 0.2649% / 0.26486108
62.7 Slavic
19.0 Paleo_Balkan
12.0 Eastern_Mediterranean
6.3 Germanic

Target: Serb
Distance: 0.1302% / 0.13022115
55.2 Slavic
31.3 Paleo_Balkan
7.9 Eastern_Mediterranean
5.6 Germanic

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 0.3155% / 0.31548324
43.0 Slavic
30.9 Paleo_Balkan
17.1 Eastern_Mediterranean
9.0 Germanic

Target: Macedonian
Distance: 0.4005% / 0.40054855
46.7 Paleo_Balkan
36.4 Slavic
12.3 Eastern_Mediterranean
4.6 Germanic

Target: Albanian
Distance: 0.5368% / 0.53677785
58.2 Paleo_Balkan
27.6 Slavic
11.5 Eastern_Mediterranean
2.7 Germanic

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 0.0814% / 0.08138267
43.3 Slavic
29.1 Paleo_Balkan
21.6 Eastern_Mediterranean
6.0 Germanic

Target: Romanian
Distance: 0.0797% / 0.07967599
47.1 Slavic
31.6 Paleo_Balkan
14.0 Eastern_Mediterranean
5.5 Germanic
1.8 Turkic

Target: Moldavian
Distance: 0.0839% / 0.08386034
61.5 Slavic
20.0 Paleo_Balkan
12.3 Eastern_Mediterranean
4.1 Germanic
2.1 Turkic
03-20-2021, 09:31 PM
CommonSense

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03-20-2021, 09:36 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

I think I think I found a good fit for Serbs and other contemporary Balkanites, but I had to use both ancient and model samples as a referrence, partially because of a lack of samples and partially because of my own ignorance. I don't think there's a better proxy for ancient Anatolians than the Cappadocian Greek average, since the one Anatolian Iron Age sample we have seems to be partially contaminated because it exibits both Siberian and SSA admix.
I'm also hoping some of you can help me choose a better Germanic referrence than just "Swedish". I'm not knowledgable enough about early Germanic samples to choose one myself. Anyhow here are the referrences I used:

I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15,12.62,23.19, 10.39,15.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0
Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2aI2a,25.54,45.76, 13.11,4.08,6.15,0.53,0.00,0.00,2.60,1.08,0.58,0.53 ,0.00
I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,2 8.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Swedish,48.45,30.99,9.81,3.64,2.43,0.84,1.41,0.21, 0.68,0.56,0.40,0.32,0.23
I5759_Switzerland_Bell_Beaker_4178_ybp,35.39,15.41 ,20.83,5.13,15.56,2.99,3.06,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.61,0. 00,0.00
Greek_Cappadocian,6.83,3.81,18.16,27.6,36.59,4.92, 0.94,0.03,0.64,0.03,0.4,0,0

Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.6691% / 2.66910624
70.8 Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2aI2a
18.2 I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp
11.0 Greek_Cappadocian

I think Thracian from my signature is more accurate for paleo-Balkan autosomal heritage.
03-20-2021, 09:49 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Paleo_Balkan:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15 ,12.62,23.19,10.39,15.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp,33.68,12.0 2,24.41,7.67,19.60,1.39,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.23,0.00,0 .00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp,30.68,13.0 0,27.73,10.03,16.07,0.60,0.00,1.05,0.00,0.21,0.00, 0.00,0.64
Paleo_Balkan:MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_,17.31,16.47,24 .79,14.47,21.96,1.38,0.00,0.00,1.28,1.76,0.58,0.00 ,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_,18.69,1.27 ,31.47,12.51,27.61,2.03,0.00,0.87,0.24,0.00,0.87,3 .47,0.98
Paleo_Balkan:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8.75, 3.24,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.80,0. 58,0.00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48 ,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:Canaanite_,1.63,0.00,14.65,1 5.10,51.26,17.37,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0
Eastern_Mediterranean:Greek_Cappadocian,6.83,3.81, 18.16,27.6,36.59,4.92,0.94,0.03,0.64,0.03,0.4,0,0
Eastern_Mediterranean:R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperi al,8.94,4.56,21.96,20.12,34.47,7.02,1.72,0.93,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.26,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_I mperial,6.85,0.00,21.95,22.60,37.03,8.91,0.98,0.75 ,0.00,0.00,0.22,0.00,0.71
Eastern_Mediterranean:R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_I mperial,2.63,8.50,21.08,27.13,34.24,5.03,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.84,0.55,0.00,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imper ial,2.93,0.00,17.45,22.44,37.80,13.78,2.10,0.71,0. 00,0.02,0.31,2.45,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:R1551_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imper ial,5.31,0.00,12.60,36.12,34.89,8.22,2.15,0.72,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Slavic:Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_,25. 54,45.76,13.11,4.08,6.15,0.53,0.00,0.00,2.60,1.08, 0.58,0.53,0.00
Slavic:AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_,3 0.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00,1.56,0.8 9,0.00,0.42,0.00
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26, 8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Slavic:Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.5 3,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0.13,1.42,0.62
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63, 3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86,0.48,1.27,0
Slavic:Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454,25.59,45.53,14. 97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0,0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11 .7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43. 78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0. 87
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK272,27.1,42.86,8.3 7,4.01,8.44,3.37,1.6,0,1.68,2.01,0,0,0.56
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340,28.29,43.29,9. 89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0.1,0,1.12,0
Germanic:ADA119_Slovakia_Poprad_1600_R_U106_U4b3_3 75_AD_2_,53.37,27.59,18.52,0.33,0.19,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Germanic:RISE174_Sweden_IA.SG_1431_ybp,48.47,30.87 ,7.80,5.77,0.58,0.36,2.19,0.00,1.18,1.06,0.56,0.17 ,1.00
Germanic:Alh1_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1500_ybp,5 0.39,26.23,13.00,5.30,0.00,1.40,0.00,1.70,0.00,1.1 1,0.49,0.38,0.00
Germanic:Alh10_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1489_ybp, 50.82,27.96,8.13,4.15,4.48,1.91,0.67,0.31,0.00,1.2 9,0.29,0.00,0.00
Germanic:SZ12_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,47.25,26. 28,10.75,7.04,5.01,0.00,1.09,0.00,0.00,0.90,1.69,0 .00,0.00
Germanic:SZ15_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,49.81, 25.15,10.68,7.88,0.66,1.04,2.67,1.49,0.62,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00
Turkic:ADA101_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1716_ybp,1 5.48,20.81,0.00,25.74,0.00,0.00,10.64,6.48,15.16,4 .45,0.00,0.00,1.24
Turkic:ADA104_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1600_ybp,1 6.18,18.94,0.00,18.27,0.00,0.00,8.84,7.48,25.18,4. 61,0.15,0.35,0.00
Turkic:ADA105_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_son.DA104. SG_1783_ybp,15.25,20.57,0.86,20.19,0.00,0.00,6.40, 8.60,25.03,3.10,0.00,0.00,0.00
Turkic:ADA385_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1467_ybp,1 5.92,19.74,0.00,17.23,0.00,0.00,8.70,8.58,24.42,4. 84,0.00,0.00,0.56
Turkic:ADA65_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1511_ybp,23 .89,17.03,0.00,14.40,0.00,0.00,5.83,10.23,21.70,5. 38,0.04,0.00,1.49
Turkic:ADA66_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1447_ybp,14 .78,23.68,0.00,13.28,0.00,0.00,9.32,7.37,24.16,3.4 6,2.08,0.00,1.86
Turkic:ADA69_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1516_ybp,17 .53,18.31,0.00,24.71,1.09,0.00,9.68,5.25,20.35,2.8 9,0.20,0.00,0.00

Nice distance

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.4077% / 1.40772730
64.4 Slavic
35.6 Paleo_Balkan

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.4077% / 1.40772730
36.6 Slavic/Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
20.6 Paleo_Balkan/MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
17.5 Slavic/Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541
10.3 Slavic/Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454
8.4 Paleo_Balkan/I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp
6.6 Paleo_Balkan/I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp

Distance to: Dušan
1.79944108 41.40% Paleo_Balkan/MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_ + 58.60% Slavic/Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
2.30020233 33.60% Paleo_Balkan/I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp + 66.40% Slavic/Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212
2.38761442 31.80% Paleo_Balkan/I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp + 68.20% Slavic/AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_
2.56403743 42.20% Paleo_Balkan/MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_ + 57.80% Slavic/Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454
2.89198780 28.60% Paleo_Balkan/I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_ + 71.40% Slavic/Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
2.91615950 24.60% Paleo_Balkan/I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_ + 75.40% Slavic/Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541
3.00537627 26.00% Paleo_Balkan/I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp + 74.00% Slavic/Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
3.08740914 25.60% Paleo_Balkan/I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp + 74.40% Slavic/Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541
3.15846542 48.00% Paleo_Balkan/MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_ + 52.00% Slavic/AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_
3.31129070 50.20% Paleo_Balkan/MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_ + 49.80% Slavic/Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212
03-20-2021, 10:07 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Yeah if we talk about Sunghir6 it have Balkanic admix, in fact also Czech early slav sample have Balkanic admix.

Sungir6 is found on outskirts of Russian city of Vladimir, some 200 km east of Moscow.

Off course it doesnt have paleo-Balkan admixture. Are you crazy?
03-21-2021, 10:56 AM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

I think I think I found a good fit for Serbs and other contemporary Balkanites, but I had to use both ancient and model samples as a referrence, partially because of a lack of samples and partially because of my own ignorance. I don't think there's a better proxy for ancient Anatolians than the Cappadocian Greek average, since the one Anatolian Iron Age sample we have seems to be partially contaminated because it exibits both Siberian and SSA admix.
I'm also hoping some of you can help me choose a better Germanic referrence than just "Swedish". I'm not knowledgable enough about early Germanic samples to choose one myself. Anyhow here are the referrences I used:

I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15,12.62,23.19, 10.39,15.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0
Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2aI2a,25.54,45.76, 13.11,4.08,6.15,0.53,0.00,0.00,2.60,1.08,0.58,0.53 ,0.00
I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,2 8.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Swedish,48.45,30.99,9.81,3.64,2.43,0.84,1.41,0.21, 0.68,0.56,0.40,0.32,0.23
I5759_Switzerland_Bell_Beaker_4178_ybp,35.39,15.41 ,20.83,5.13,15.56,2.99,3.06,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.61,0. 00,0.00
Greek_Cappadocian,6.83,3.81,18.16,27.6,36.59,4.92, 0.94,0.03,0.64,0.03,0.4,0,0

Danes or Norwegians are better as Stearsolina said, because modern Swedes have Finnic and Balto Slavic influence.

I tried to quickly filter out all the purely Germanic samples from G25:

Code:

Germanic:DEU_MA_ACD_STR_355,0.124067,0.137096,0.064488,0.054264,0.048009,0.021753,0.001175,0.002077,0.002659,0.008018,-0.004547,0.012289,0.000446,-0.012248,0.022937,0.020949,0.007823,0.001774,0.000754,0.011506,0.001747,0.005812,0.006039,0.01205,0.004191 Germanic:DEU_MA_AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865,0.067184,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.002863,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239 Germanic:DEU_MA_AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653,0.04845,0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658 Germanic:DEU_MA_Alemanic_Byzantine_NIEcap12c,0.117238,0.133034,0.069013,0.059109,0.030467,0.013666,0.008695,0.013615,-0.002659,0.001276,-0.003897,0.006744,-0.015015,-0.003165,0.018594,0.005834,-0.002608,0.006841,0.005531,-0.003377,0.006738,0.006801,-0.004437,0.014942,0.006706 Germanic:DEU_MA_ALH_1,0.118376,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0.048009,0.023148,0.014101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.004699,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395 Germanic:DEU_MA_ALH_10,0.12862,0.132019,0.065242,0.047481,0.045239,0.023985,0.006345,-0.002308,0.002863,0.004009,0.001461,0.003447,-0.011298,0.004679,0.019137,-0.002254,-0.02386,0.010135,0.005279,-0.009254,0.003868,0.012736,-0.003328,0.012291,-0.000239 Germanic:DEU_MA_NW_255,0.118376,0.140143,0.060716,0.049742,0.041546,0.006693,0.020681,0.015692,-0.004909,-0.000364,-0.004384,0.007793,-0.012339,-0.003441,0.026194,-0.006099,-0.025164,0.0019,0.014581,0.003252,0.004617,-0.003833,0.008874,0.023136,-0.001796 Germanic:DEU_MA_STR_316,0.125205,0.12491,0.071653,0.057494,0.040315,0.03012,0.019976,-0.004154,0.000205,0,-0.010718,0.003297,-0.012487,-0.004129,0.028501,-0.008751,-0.019036,0.007095,0.006285,0.002876,-0.001373,0.00915,0.000493,0.01928,-0.00455 Germanic:DEU_MA_STR_486,0.120652,0.137096,0.04714,0.055233,0.042162,0.020638,0.008695,0.011999,0.010431,-0.005467,-0.002923,-0.006894,-0.017245,0.005367,0.007193,-0.002121,-0.028293,-0.002534,0.010559,0.008379,0.007237,0.001484,-0.01972,0.011568,-0.001078 Germanic:DNK_BA_RISE276,0.126344,0.135065,0.05506,0.05168,0.035391,0.030957,0.024206,-0.012692,-0.01493,0.002551,-0.006658,0.015137,-0.001933,-0.008257,0.013436,-0.004906,0.00665,0.005828,0.018729,0.001251,0.005116,0.001113,0.00456,0.007591,-0.022992 Germanic:DNK_BA_RISE47,0.105855,0.139128,0.071653,0.053295,0.024004,0.029284,-0.00188,0.002308,0.000409,-0.010205,0.000812,0.002698,-0.007433,-0.023946,0.014251,0.013259,0.00691,0.013302,0.01169,0.008004,0.030696,-0.018672,-0.002958,-0.002289,0.000239 Germanic:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ11,0.134311,0.137096,0.058454,0.047481,0.038776,0.02008,0.00752,0.002308,-0.004704,-0.008747,-0.005196,0.006894,-0.010406,-0.006744,0.015201,0.012729,0.004824,0.000253,0.000503,0.004502,0.000125,0.004328,-0.001109,0.011688,-0.005508 Germanic:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ12,0.135449,0.135065,0.060339,0.048127,0.047393,0.015339,0.0047,0.005307,-0.001227,-0.002916,-0.007632,0.002398,0.000149,-0.006468,0.019272,0.002387,-0.000522,-0.003801,0.003017,0.007754,0.010606,0.005564,-0.00456,-0.001928,-0.001437 Germanic:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ13,0.133173,0.133034,0.065996,0.059109,0.041238,0.017012,0.00423,0.001154,-0.005522,-0.004191,-0.007632,0.007493,-0.008622,-0.004542,0.016422,0.006232,0.001043,-0.002407,0.007165,0.002876,0.015473,0.014715,0.003328,0.01458,0.000359 Germanic:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ16,0.133173,0.128972,0.068259,0.062662,0.035699,0.019522,0.002585,0.009923,0.001432,-0.005832,0.001137,0.008992,-0.005946,-0.006881,0.024158,0.006232,-0.008084,-0.000253,-0.003017,0.009004,0.003244,0.005193,0.001109,0.014219,0.003353 Germanic:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ2,0.122929,0.139128,0.070144,0.067184,0.038469,0.018128,0.00611,0.006461,-0.000205,-0.009294,-0.000974,-0.00015,-0.008474,-0.00055,0.017372,-0.006629,-0.022296,0.005954,0.005908,-0.004627,0.015597,0.000742,0.007395,0.008555,0.002634 Germanic:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ22,0.130897,0.131003,0.057699,0.06137,0.044008,0.011713,0.00517,0.002538,-0.000409,0.000547,-0.012991,0.005845,-0.004906,-0.010735,0.010586,0.012463,0.000782,-0.003801,0.002891,0.012381,0.009109,0.004328,-0.004314,0.005663,0.003952 Germanic:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ4,0.134311,0.133034,0.064488,0.056525,0.035699,0.021196,0.011751,0.007154,-0.001841,0.004191,-0.005846,0.001649,-0.013082,-0.001376,0.026465,-0.002519,-0.024121,0.004687,0.00176,-0.004002,0.006988,0.007543,0.004067,0.013737,0.001796 Germanic:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ7,0.135449,0.135065,0.066373,0.062016,0.035083,0.01255,0.00611,0.005307,0.003272,0,-0.011205,0.0003,-0.007433,-0.010322,0.018729,0.002784,-0.005476,0.000127,0.001885,0.002376,0.009234,0.007419,0.001602,0.015785,-0.001197 Germanic:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ9,0.138864,0.125926,0.069013,0.066861,0.036622,0.03012,0.00188,0.011999,0.011658,-0.000547,-0.011692,0.003597,-0.008176,-0.003716,0.029994,-0.001193,-0.00665,0.001394,0.00088,0.007629,0.011355,0.005812,-0.003451,0.014942,-0.001796 Germanic:ITA_Collegno_MA_CL145,0.132035,0.139128,0.060339,0.067507,0.041854,0.018686,0.0094,0.01223,0.001023,-0.009841,0.000812,0.006594,-0.00446,-0.001239,0.02918,-0.006364,-0.029336,0.004561,0.010056,0.003752,0.006489,0.010263,-0.002465,0.017231,0.002634 Germanic:ITA_Collegno_MA_CL146,0.129758,0.131003,0.063356,0.05491,0.040931,0.015897,0.003525,0.010384,0.001023,-0.006925,-0.002761,0.004346,-0.017988,-0.007982,0.026873,0.001193,-0.0103,0.003294,0.010056,0.011255,0.006239,0.004328,0.003944,0.017954,0.000838 Germanic:ITA_Collegno_MA_CL151,0.134311,0.129988,0.065242,0.062016,0.042777,0.019522,0.00846,0.014307,-0.002045,-0.005467,-0.004384,-0.001499,-0.010704,-0.010046,0.035694,-0.007292,-0.023469,0.006841,0.005656,0.008879,0.008235,0.008903,0.002465,0.016629,-0.001796 Germanic:ITA_Collegno_MA_CL83,0.132035,0.133034,0.065242,0.036499,0.0437,0.025379,0.00846,0.003461,0.005931,0.000182,-0.01023,0.002548,-0.016799,-0.000413,0.027008,0.001856,-0.007693,0.009502,0.006034,0.005628,0.008859,0.004204,-0.002342,0.014098,-0.002874 Germanic:ITA_Collegno_MA_CL84,0.133173,0.136081,0.07203,0.042636,0.049548,0.019801,0.005875,0.006923,0.010431,0,-0.008444,0.005545,-0.011447,-0.011973,0.023887,0.007823,-0.005476,0.003801,0.005782,0.004502,0.005865,0.002226,-0.008134,0.013978,0.000838 Germanic:ITA_Collegno_MA_CL92,0.135449,0.132019,0.070144,0.04845,0.037238,0.013945,0.00799,0.020307,0.005522,0.002551,-0.013478,-0.001649,-0.005798,-0.004404,0.02348,0.005171,-0.023208,0.005321,0.004777,-0.003502,0.008735,0.008903,-0.00493,0.003615,0.001078 Germanic:ITA_Collegno_MA_CL93,0.132035,0.140143,0.066373,0.05491,0.041238,0.014223,0.00846,0.013846,-0.002659,-0.007472,-0.008444,0.003747,-0.011893,-0.01156,0.03678,0.013259,-0.005737,0.002407,0.002263,0.001751,0.018093,0.009892,-0.000739,0.009399,0.005149 Germanic:Scythian_MDA_o_scy303,0.129758,0.131003,0.065242,0.063308,0.037238,0.02008,0.00846,0.003461,0.007158,-0.007472,-0.000812,0.002398,-0.00773,-0.011147,0.015336,0.024529,0.014473,0.001267,-0.001508,0.006378,0.006988,0.001237,-0.001972,0.001084,0.008263 Germanic:SWE_IA_RISE174,0.122929,0.123895,0.067127,0.058463,0.041238,0.02008,0.005875,0.007615,0.002863,-0.009659,0.003735,0.001948,-0.006987,0.003853,0.020358,-0.006762,-0.015385,0.006461,0.009427,0.00025,0.00025,0.002844,0.002465,0.011447,0.000359 Germanic:SWE_LN_RISE97,0.117238,0.133034,0.060339,0.058463,0.036314,0.004183,0.001645,0.007154,0.002454,-0.000729,-0.002923,0.003147,-0.006392,-0.01156,0.021851,0.019888,0.012126,-0.003927,0.012444,0.004877,0.012852,0.012489,-0.003451,-0.009158,-0.002275 Germanic:SWE_LN_RISE98,0.121791,0.12491,0.070899,0.072029,0.041546,0.0251,0.012691,0.008077,0.003681,-0.00328,0.00341,0.008393,-0.005946,-0.014038,0.019544,0.019491,0.0103,0.005574,0.006662,0.013882,0.005989,0.00272,0.001849,-0.000602,-0.002395 Germanic:SWE_Ollsjo_BA_oll007,0.120652,0.12491,0.056191,0.051357,0.038161,0.015618,0.00752,-0.002308,0.001227,0.004738,-0.005521,-0.002997,-0.009663,-0.01968,0.015201,0.005038,0.009388,0.00076,0,0.014382,0.002371,0.002473,-0.001725,0.005302,0.006706 Germanic:SWE_Ollsjo_BA_oll009,0.126344,0.133034,0.067127,0.063631,0.040623,0.016733,0.002585,0.005769,0.008795,0.00328,0.001786,0.01139,-0.005946,-0.000413,0.027958,0.014452,-0.016428,0.010515,0.003771,0.002501,0.006863,-0.007914,-0.004314,0.005302,-0.004431 Germanic:SWE_Ollsjo_BA_oll010,0.133173,0.140143,0.070144,0.051034,0.029544,0.018128,0.006345,0.015922,0.002863,-0.010205,0.000325,0.016785,-0.013974,-0.012661,0.012622,0.003315,0.005476,0.001267,-0.00264,0.024387,0.021961,0.004946,-0.001232,0.009037,0.005748 Germanic:VK2020_DNK_Jutland_IA_VK582,0.136588,0.13405,0.070522,0.069445,0.036007,0.022869,0.009635,0.013615,0.012885,-0.004374,0.006333,0.019633,-0.014271,-0.021744,0.015472,0.010607,0.001304,0.007095,0.00176,0.02101,0.014974,-0.000247,0.000986,0.025666,-0.00467 Germanic:VK2020_DNK_Sealand_IA_VK521,0.12862,0.131003,0.069013,0.063954,0.044008,0.022032,0,0.013615,0.008999,-0.010934,-0.003085,0.003447,-0.008028,-0.002752,0.020629,0,-0.020861,0.007728,0.005908,0.008879,0.012977,0.010263,-0.002588,0.010363,-0.002515 Germanic:VK2020_DNK_Sealand_IA_VK532,0.121791,0.131003,0.063356,0.063631,0.041238,0.018965,0.004465,0.010615,0.003068,-0.013668,-0.002761,0.007793,-0.00773,-0.004679,0.02538,0.007558,-0.007171,0.006588,0.009302,0.006628,0.002371,-0.000866,0.000739,0.01687,0.003712 Germanic:VK2020_DNK_Sealand_LNBA_VK214,0.117238,0.118817,0.079572,0.075905,0.048317,0.020638,-0.00094,0.01523,0.008181,-0.02278,-0.00682,-0.00045,-0.010852,-0.00289,0.023751,0.009546,-0.022948,0.01647,0.004148,-0.003377,0.018343,0.000742,0.000863,-0.000241,0.010897 Germanic:VK2020_NOR_Mid_IA_VK523,0.125205,0.125926,0.07731,0.06783,0.048009,0.023148,-0.00094,0.012461,0.006749,-0.017677,-0.003248,0.002548,-0.005203,-0.007707,0.020358,0.013392,-0.002086,-0.002407,0.003394,0.004002,0.004492,0.000495,-0.004437,-0.001084,0.001916 Germanic:VK2020_NOR_North_IA_VK418,0.125205,0.132019,0.070144,0.064277,0.040315,0.019522,0.00423,0.013846,0.007567,-0.007107,-0.001786,-0.002847,-0.011001,-0.001514,0.031487,-0.005967,-0.029858,-0.0019,0.00352,0.003001,0.010606,0.000371,0,0.003012,-0.000838 Germanic:VK2020_NOR_South_IA_VK390,0.121791,0.125926,0.076555,0.06783,0.040931,0.029005,0.003995,0.006231,0,-0.00893,-0.005684,0.002997,-0.011596,-0.010735,0.027551,0.007955,-0.009779,0.006208,0.008799,0.013006,0.018967,-0.000495,0.001972,0.007953,0.001197 Germanic:VK2020_NOR_South_IA_VK391,0.12862,0.141159,0.080327,0.062662,0.047701,0.022311,0.012691,0.011076,-0.003068,-0.015672,-0.012666,-0.004496,-0.002081,-0.007707,0.019679,0.0118,0.004303,0.003547,-0.006159,0.001,0.006988,-0.002597,-0.010723,0.014098,0.011017 Germanic:VK2020_SWE_Oland_IA_VK522,0.130897,0.132019,0.073916,0.066861,0.050163,0.022311,-0.00188,0.006231,0.010226,-0.003645,-0.002111,0.002548,-0.002081,-0.00578,0.018458,0.010475,-0.006389,-0.001774,0.005279,0.007504,0.002995,0.005441,0.000246,0.020364,0.001078 Germanic:VK2020_SWE_Oland_IA_VK579,0.110408,0.123895,0.085229,0.070414,0.035083,0.02259,0.01034,0.005769,-0.003886,-0.012939,-0.006983,0.007343,-0.005054,0.006881,0.010858,0.005967,-0.023078,0.004307,0.00264,-0.001751,0.011605,0.008656,-0.008874,0.014701,-0.002155

the Szolad, Collegno and Vikings are also in k13 ancient.

for Anatolia these could be good:

Code:

MA2200_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp,2.30,0.00,24.62,25.44,41.07,6.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.48,0.00,0.00 MA2203_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp,10.14,0.00,24.29,15.47,42.31,6.07,0.24,0.30,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.29,0.88 MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp,0.84,0.00,21.01,25.74,45.03,6.16,0.00,1.09,0.00,0.13,0.00,0.00,0.00 MA2206_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp,3.02,0.00,23.15,25.98,42.95,3.48,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.74,0.00,0.00
03-21-2021, 11:38 PM
JohnnyP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

It doesn't. Early Czech Slav has local Celtic substratum ,(which is SW shifted compared to proto Slavs), both samples have nothing to do with Balkans.

Yes they have , comparing them with samples from Iron Age , (Balkans_IA is BGR_IA)
https://i.imgur.com/b0r6ZED.png
03-22-2021, 12:16 AM
Dick

if paleo Balkan equals neolithic then all Europeans have it or we'd all look like fucking eskimos.

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