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for e g. here is post Iron Age Croatian from 4th century AD which is clearly Illyrian because it has same genetics as IA ones.
Distance to: Illyrians:SIMULATED_Croatia_Scitarjevo:R3659___AD_ 313___Coverage_44.68%
0.01619741 Italian_Veneto
0.01714874 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01857600 Italian_Northeast
0.01885922 Italian_Piedmont
0.02022705 Italian_Bergamo
I will do when I am finished debunking these trolls :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wvwvw
there are more:
Distance to: Illyrians:R3745___AD_72___Coverage_58.46%
0.03311527 Italian_Bergamo
0.03334920 Italian_Lombardy
0.03562911 Italian_Liguria
0.03777774 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03792410 Italian_Veneto
Distance to: Illyrians:R3747___AD_177___Coverage_65.64%
0.02103329 Italian_Tuscany
0.02151787 Italian_Piedmont
0.02414847 French_Corsica
0.02559196 Italian_Marche
0.02590371 Italian_Lombardy
Distance to: Illyrians:R3664___AD_751___Coverage_56.39%
0.03263320 Italian_Northeast
0.03321657 Swiss_Italian
0.03391280 Italian_Veneto
0.03721430 French_Provence
0.03754269 Italian_Aosta_Valley
Distance to: Illyrians:R3663___AD_781___Coverage_41.88%
0.03001273 Italian_Liguria
0.03090423 Italian_Lombardy
0.03266309 Italian_Piedmont
0.03480011 Greek_Thessaly
0.03608626 Italian_Tuscany
Distance to: Illyrians:R3655___AD_220___Coverage_45.18%
0.02711496 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03053671 Italian_Bergamo
0.03091106 Italian_Liguria
0.03170227 Italian_Lombardy
0.03229399 Italian_Veneto
Distance to: Illyrians:R3745___AD_72___Coverage_58.46%
0.03218012 Italian_Bergamo
0.03265234 Italian_Lombardy
0.03476157 Italian_Liguria
0.03656261 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03658866 Italian_Veneto
etc...
while some others are clearly not native, like these:
Distance to: Eastern_Roman-Byzantine::R3742___AD_177___Coverage_46.74%
0.02998833 Greek_Cappadocia
0.03248079 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.03562718 Greek_Crete
0.03683034 Greek_Kos
0.03706302 Greek_Dodecanese
Distance to: Eastern_Roman-Byzantine::R3685___AD_500___Coverage_56.14%
0.02168062 Greek_Izmir
0.02213718 Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.02353660 Italian_Molise
0.02368313 Italian_Umbria
0.02402766 Italian_Abruzzo
Distance to: Eastern_Roman-Byzantine:Croatia:R3665___AD_171___Coverage_38.20%
0.02780861 Greek_Kos
0.03461354 Greek_Dodecanese
0.03751434 Greek_Crete
0.03819170 Italian_Calabria
0.03822130 Greek_Deep_Mani
Distance to: Eastern_Roman-Byzantine:Croatia_Trogir_Policija:R3670___AD_168__ _Coverage_35.99%
0.03992722 Cypriot
0.04106413 Greek_Kos
0.04438736 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.04495001 Greek_Dodecanese
0.04703139 Romaniote_Jew
etc.
And yes, Sisak and Novo selo samples are included as Eastern Roman-Byzantine in my model for Croats. They ain't Illyrian.
As I said north to south cline as we do today. All of us, Romans, Illyrians, Italians, Albanians. The south influence was stronger on Romans because of isolation, Alps were a barrier. That's why we central and South Illyrians are more similar to them. And if we take history into account their NW source (Illyrians) was from celts. But combined with the southern source makes it iberian like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Even you did a calculation with ancient samples that showed we were closer to celts, then germanics then slavs. Which confirms history as well.
Both the Illyrians and the Hellenes were similar to Iberians and had the same R1 lineage as other Italo-Celts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
But that lineage had been mixing with the native Helladic populations of Balkans and Greece for 3000 years, a people who spoke a Greco-Hittite a language similar to proto-Greek.
The Italo-Celts of Italy did not mix with the Greco-Hittite populations of Balkans and Greece. It is after this mix that the Iberian Italo-Celts become proto-Greeks. In classical times, only 1/3 of Ancient Greeks were Iberian-like.
And similarily the Italo-Celts become Illyrians after they get colonized by Cadmus and the Enhellenes. Before that there was no mention of Illyrians before their eponymous founder Ilyrus.
not the same cline and closest pops clearly show it. Illyrians were SW Euro like. you are SE Euro like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulu
Acient Greeks were very southern people genetically and not similar to all to Italics nor Illyrians.Quote:
Originally Posted by wvwvw
Those people were not yet Illyrians. They were unmixed Italo-CeltsQuote:
Illyrians from same area were like this and not even remotely close to Greeks:
Mixed Italo-Celts = Illyrians of historical times.
Were Romans SE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy