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11-13-2025, 03:59 PM
Repent

My Real G25 coordinates (a.k.a. non simulated from g25requests.app):

Repent:RealG25_scaled,0.135449,0.108662,0.059962,0 .041344,0.034776,0.015339,0.009635,0.014076,-0.004295,-0.019681,-0.005196,-0.009741,0.014866,0.020781,-0.014658,-0.004375,0.001434,0.00266,0.000126,-0.006003,-0.002121,0.004204,0.011709,0.001205,0.001796

Repent:RealG25_raw,0.0119,0.0107,0.0159,0.0128,0.0 113,0.0055,0.0041,0.0061,-0.0021,-0.0108,-0.0032,-0.0065,0.01,0.0151,-0.0108,-0.0033,0.0011,0.0021,0.0001,-0.0048,-0.0017,0.0034,0.0095,0.001,0.0015
11-13-2025, 07:07 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Repent

My Real G25 coordinates (a.k.a. non simulated from g25requests.app):

Repent:RealG25_scaled,0.135449,0.108662,0.059962,0 .041344,0.034776,0.015339,0.009635,0.014076,-0.004295,-0.019681,-0.005196,-0.009741,0.014866,0.020781,-0.014658,-0.004375,0.001434,0.00266,0.000126,-0.006003,-0.002121,0.004204,0.011709,0.001205,0.001796

Repent:RealG25_raw,0.0119,0.0107,0.0159,0.0128,0.0 113,0.0055,0.0041,0.0061,-0.0021,-0.0108,-0.0032,-0.0065,0.01,0.0151,-0.0108,-0.0033,0.0011,0.0021,0.0001,-0.0048,-0.0017,0.0034,0.0095,0.001,0.0015

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ze6...hKdN9BnU4/view

Distance to: RealG25_scaled
0.02726356 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02801103 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02993841 Russian_Belgorod
0.02994670 Russian_Voronezh_North
0.03073090 Russian_Orel
0.03091351 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03165011 Russian_RyazanMikhailov
0.03191037 Cossack_Ukrainian_Dnipropetrovsk
0.03212456 Russian_Ryazan
0.03213346 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03265978 Russian_Samara
0.03277478 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03346667 Cossack_Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
0.03347857 Russian_RyazanSpassk
0.03360595 Croat_North
0.03392058 Russian_Kursk
0.03395781 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03404627 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03434310 Polish
0.03448813 Russian_Voronezh
0.03744090 Russian_NizhnyNovgorod
0.03762457 Russian_Moscow
0.03774779 Russian_TverKashin
0.03779697 Polish_Silesian
0.03786094 Hungarian

Target: RealG25_scaled
Distance: 1.6608% / 0.01660765 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.8 Russian_Belgorod
17.8 Pomak_Danubian_Plain
13.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
11.4 Moksha
2.0 She

Target: RealG25_scaled
Distance: 1.6829% / 0.01682902 | R3P
79.2 Russian_Belgorod
18.2 Turkish_West_Macedonia
2.6 She
11-13-2025, 07:13 PM
Repent

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ze6...hKdN9BnU4/view

Distance to: RealG25_scaled
0.02726356 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02801103 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02993841 Russian_Belgorod
0.02994670 Russian_Voronezh_North
0.03073090 Russian_Orel
0.03091351 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03165011 Russian_RyazanMikhailov
0.03191037 Cossack_Ukrainian_Dnipropetrovsk
0.03212456 Russian_Ryazan
0.03213346 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03265978 Russian_Samara
0.03277478 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03346667 Cossack_Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
0.03347857 Russian_RyazanSpassk
0.03360595 Croat_North
0.03392058 Russian_Kursk
0.03395781 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03404627 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03434310 Polish
0.03448813 Russian_Voronezh
0.03744090 Russian_NizhnyNovgorod
0.03762457 Russian_Moscow
0.03774779 Russian_TverKashin
0.03779697 Polish_Silesian
0.03786094 Hungarian

Target: RealG25_scaled
Distance: 1.6608% / 0.01660765 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.8 Russian_Belgorod
17.8 Pomak_Danubian_Plain
13.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
11.4 Moksha
2.0 She

Target: RealG25_scaled
Distance: 1.6829% / 0.01682902 | R3P
79.2 Russian_Belgorod
18.2 Turkish_West_Macedonia
2.6 She

Thank you, I've already tried that before today, I didn't post it yet / at all.

Raw coordinates are even closer to Zakarapattia, Lviv, etc.

Sad times, I am already drinking, thank God that we have God, though.
11-13-2025, 07:13 PM
Repent

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ze6...hKdN9BnU4/view

Distance to: RealG25_scaled
0.02726356 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02801103 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02993841 Russian_Belgorod
0.02994670 Russian_Voronezh_North
0.03073090 Russian_Orel
0.03091351 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03165011 Russian_RyazanMikhailov
0.03191037 Cossack_Ukrainian_Dnipropetrovsk
0.03212456 Russian_Ryazan
0.03213346 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03265978 Russian_Samara
0.03277478 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03346667 Cossack_Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
0.03347857 Russian_RyazanSpassk
0.03360595 Croat_North
0.03392058 Russian_Kursk
0.03395781 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03404627 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03434310 Polish
0.03448813 Russian_Voronezh
0.03744090 Russian_NizhnyNovgorod
0.03762457 Russian_Moscow
0.03774779 Russian_TverKashin
0.03779697 Polish_Silesian
0.03786094 Hungarian

Target: RealG25_scaled
Distance: 1.6608% / 0.01660765 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.8 Russian_Belgorod
17.8 Pomak_Danubian_Plain
13.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
11.4 Moksha
2.0 She

Target: RealG25_scaled
Distance: 1.6829% / 0.01682902 | R3P
79.2 Russian_Belgorod
18.2 Turkish_West_Macedonia
2.6 She

What's the distance between us will be, though?
11-13-2025, 08:18 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Repent

What's the distance between us will be, though?

Not very close.

Distance to: RealG25_scaled
0.02726356 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02801103 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02993841 Russian_Belgorod
0.02994670 Russian_Voronezh_North
0.03073090 Russian_Orel
0.03091351 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03165011 Russian_RyazanMikhailov
0.03191037 Cossack_Ukrainian_Dnipropetrovsk
0.03212456 Russian_Ryazan
0.03213346 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03265978 Russian_Samara
0.03277478 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03346667 Cossack_Ukrainian_Zaporizhzhia
0.03347857 Russian_RyazanSpassk
0.03360595 Croat_North
0.03392058 Russian_Kursk
0.03395781 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03404627 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03434310 Polish
0.03448813 Russian_Voronezh
0.03744090 Russian_NizhnyNovgorod
0.03762457 Russian_Moscow
0.03774779 Russian_TverKashin
0.03779697 Polish_Silesian
0.03786094 Hungarian
0.03827594 Slovakian
0.03831832 Russian_Tver
0.03853245 Russian_Smolensk
0.03885847 Slovenian
0.03892394 Polish_Wielkopolska
0.03895634 Czech
0.03943636 Russian_Vladimir
0.04034685 Russian_Kaluga
0.04186630 Belarusian
0.04215176 Moksha
0.04378304 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.04423278 Polish_Kashubian
0.04558518 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.04560162 Croat_Dalmatia
0.04623795 Cossack_Kuban
0.04636211 Bosnian
0.04644353 Croat
0.04686629 Moldovan
0.04718705 Bosniak_Croatia
0.04756563 Russian_Novgorod
0.04771268 Russian_Kostroma
0.04797476 German_Saxony_Leipzig
0.04840983 Croat_Herzegovina
0.04860061 Erzya
0.04864868 Lithuanian_PA
0.04933575 Croat_Bosnia
0.04948387 Russian_Pskov
0.04961662 Serb_Bosnia
0.05050378 German_East
0.05062504 Dušan_scaled
0.05179091 Austrian
0.05313711 Lithuanian_VA
0.05325376 German_Hamburg
0.05380937 German_Erlangen
0.05481134 Serb_Sumadija
0.05528254 Serb_Belgrade
0.05537510 Serb_Croatia
0.05592433 Serb
0.05653532 Serb_WestSerbia
0.05671237 German_Mecklenburg
0.05747588 Estonian
0.05749383 Finnish_Southwest
0.05753601 Lithuanian_RA
0.05770829 Russian_Arkhangelsk_Krasnoborsky
0.05787104 Ingrian
0.05826605 Montenegrin
0.05890670 German
0.05918730 Lithuanian
0.05957648 Lithuanian_VZ
0.05958190 Swedish
0.05986785 Serb_SouthSerbia
0.06338505 Finnish_Central
0.06399182 Serb_Montenegro
0.06428053 Finnish_Southeast
0.06433364 Romanian
0.06604684 Lithuanian_SZ
0.06702459 Karelian_Southern
0.06727182 Lithuanian_PZ
0.06737212 Afrikaner
0.06782849 Danish
0.06794841 Russian_Karelia_Zaoneje
0.06813410 Bosniak_Sandzak
0.06814011 German_Baden-Wurttemberg_Ellwangen
0.06844513 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06850176 Latvian
0.06858177 Dutch
0.06868305 Norwegian_Bergen
0.06881406 Vepsian
0.06883017 Karelian
0.06940757 Pomak_Rhodope_Mountains
0.06960962 Norwegian
0.07028303 Karelian_Northern
0.07080348 Frisian_Netherlands
0.07085603 Finnish_North
0.07086234 BelgianA

But 2-way models are interesting, if use each other coordinates as fixed references.

I can be modeled very well using your coordinates:

0.024 Dušan_scaled = 92% Serb_Croatia + 8% RealG25_scaled
0.024 Dušan_scaled = 91% Serb_Bosnia + 9% RealG25_scaled
0.025 Dušan_scaled = 94% Serb_WestSerbia + 6% RealG25_scaled
0.027 Dušan_scaled = 91% Serb_Sumadija + 9% RealG25_scaled
0.027 Dušan_scaled = 89% Serb + 11% RealG25_scaled
0.027 Dušan_scaled = 100% Moldovan + 0% RealG25_scaled
0.028 Dušan_scaled = 90% Serb_Belgrade + 10% RealG25_scaled
0.028 Dušan_scaled = 91% Bosnian + 9% RealG25_scaled

But in opposite case, not very good:

0.044 RealG25_scaled = 85% Dušan_scaled + 15% Dobrujan_Tatar
0.045 RealG25_scaled = 95% Dušan_scaled + 5% Han_Shanghai
0.045 RealG25_scaled = 75% Dušan_scaled + 25% Tatar_Mishar
0.046 RealG25_scaled = 83% Dušan_scaled + 17% Tatar_Lipka
0.046 RealG25_scaled = 95% Dušan_scaled + 5% Han_Henan
0.046 RealG25_scaled = 95% Dušan_scaled + 5% She
0.046 RealG25_scaled = 95% Dušan_scaled + 5% Han_Zhejiang
0.046 RealG25_scaled = 95% Dušan_scaled + 5% Han_Shanxi
11-13-2025, 08:22 PM
Dušan

This is your 2-way models without fixed references.
A bit strange you cant get lower distance, below 0.03

0.040 RealG25_scaled = 62% Russian_TverKashin + 38% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.040 RealG25_scaled = 74% Serb_Sumadija + 26% Tatar_Mishar
0.040 RealG25_scaled = 62% Russian_Tver + 38% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.040 RealG25_scaled = 66% Russian_Orel + 34% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 95% Serb_Sumadija + 5% Han_Shanghai
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 67% Russian_Belgorod + 33% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 82% Serb_Sumadija + 18% Tatar_Lipka
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 58% Russian_Novgorod + 42% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 59% Russian_Kostroma + 41% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 74% Serb_WestSerbia + 26% Tatar_Mishar
11-14-2025, 05:58 AM
Repent

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

This is your 2-way models without fixed references.
A bit strange you cant get lower distance, below 0.03

0.040 RealG25_scaled = 62% Russian_TverKashin + 38% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.040 RealG25_scaled = 74% Serb_Sumadija + 26% Tatar_Mishar
0.040 RealG25_scaled = 62% Russian_Tver + 38% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.040 RealG25_scaled = 66% Russian_Orel + 34% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 95% Serb_Sumadija + 5% Han_Shanghai
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 67% Russian_Belgorod + 33% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 82% Serb_Sumadija + 18% Tatar_Lipka
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 58% Russian_Novgorod + 42% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 59% Russian_Kostroma + 41% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 74% Serb_WestSerbia + 26% Tatar_Mishar

With Scaled no, with Raw (when I use Raw + Average Modern for Raw) I can. I do not know why, though.

Do not forget that I am mixed, for 1/4, but still. It can be the reason.
11-14-2025, 06:49 AM
Repent

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

This is your 2-way models without fixed references.
A bit strange you cant get lower distance, below 0.03

0.040 RealG25_scaled = 62% Russian_TverKashin + 38% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.040 RealG25_scaled = 74% Serb_Sumadija + 26% Tatar_Mishar
0.040 RealG25_scaled = 62% Russian_Tver + 38% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.040 RealG25_scaled = 66% Russian_Orel + 34% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 95% Serb_Sumadija + 5% Han_Shanghai
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 67% Russian_Belgorod + 33% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 82% Serb_Sumadija + 18% Tatar_Lipka
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 58% Russian_Novgorod + 42% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 59% Russian_Kostroma + 41% Greek_Crete_Chania
0.041 RealG25_scaled = 74% Serb_WestSerbia + 26% Tatar_Mishar

The strangest thing that I didn't get Ashkenazi with them, I did get Ashkenazi in some gedmatch.com models before having my real G25 coordinates.
11-14-2025, 09:41 AM
Mortimer

Maybe its not ashkenazi but tatar or something else which pulls you a little away from full ethnic russians?
11-14-2025, 10:15 AM
Repent

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Maybe its not ashkenazi but tatar or something else which pulls you a little away from full ethnic russians?

Nah, if it was Tatar, prolly the closest distance won't be Western Ukraine.

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