Orangepulp's DNA tribes results.

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Originally Posted by SometimesYes

Is that the just one difference you have recognized ? :eek:

Do you actually believe that Turks admixtures are identical or very similar to the Central Asian people?

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Of course we are closer to west asian populations than central asians. Nobody denies that.
I'm only trying to say that Turkic input is not that much less (15% ??), even we don't have any dna samples from the new-comer Seljuks of 1000 years ago. Most researchers assuming that Seljuks were predominantly Mongoloids without any evidence.

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Originally Posted by Manolo

The same thing as Hittites imposed themselfs upon native Hattian people.According to the Battle of Kadesh description the Hattians and their Hittite masters looked different, the former were native Anatolians while the latter Indo-European invaders.Also Armenians who speak Indo-European language have 5% descent from Indo-European speakers who brought the Armenian language.

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Just like the Spaniards then? Who were Romanicized by the Roman governors.

Let's compare it:
+++++++SouthA/WestA/Siberian/Africa/Southern/Atl_Baltic/EastA
Turkmen:9.3/44.9/8.2/0.2/17.2/13.5/6.9
TurksBeh:1.4/43.0/4.6/30.3/18.3/2.4
TurkishDi:1.0/42.7/3.6/31.4/18.8/2.5

Now let's look closer:
South Asian = Turkmens have got 8% more
Siberian= Turkmens have got 3.5-4.5 % more
Atlantic-Baltic= Turkmens have got 13-14% less than us
East Asia= Turkmens have got 4.4-/4.5 more than us

So my conclusion is we got our own percentages of admixtures.

If the definition of Turkic is just plain mongoloid admixture then our average is: something like 6-7, Orange has got less than 6 and I have got more than 6, it's depending on the region of Turkey etc. I have seen a fellow Turk that scored under 2 %.

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Originally Posted by Pecheneg

according to this result, "Turkic" considered as full mongoloid?
What's your total asian admixture?

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My "Turkic" on this calculator is fairly simillar to Orangegulp

BAT(Balkans-Anatolia-Turkic)

62.08% Balkans
32.10% Anatolia
5.82% Turkic


I'll note that that the calculator was not designed for people from my region.

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Originally Posted by Pallantides

My "Turkic" on this calculator is fairly simillar to Orangegulp

BAT(Balkans-Anatolia-Turkic)

62.08% Balkans
32.10% Anatolia
5.82% Turkic


I'll note that that the calculator was not designed for people from my region.

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Your asian admixture is quite high for an average european, isn't it? What's the percentage of asian/mongoloid admixture in scandinavia?

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Originally Posted by Onur

You are right, the culture is what matters not genetics but i still didn't get any single proper answer about how a 10% Turkic minority alters the culture and language of 90% majority in 11-12th century? How come anyone does that without a massacre upon local peoples and without modern education methods?

This kind of assimilation done by the minority only became possible after 18-19th century with the mass education methods. Before that times, the majority was always assimilating the minority, never the other way around. If that would be possible, then you can be sure that you wouldn't even find single Germanic speaking people in Europe and all of them would speak Latin today.

Why Latins couldn't achieve this in Europe despite the absolute control of Catholic church for centuries and their strict Latinization policies? Because they were minority and Germanic peoples were majority and unfortunately for them, they had no modern mass education methods.

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Look I told you this before, I don't know the percentage of Turkic people that arrived to Anatolia nor did I give a percentage but I am just saying from what I observed from DNA results and I think DNA is the best scientific way to have a clue about our past and origins, that current Anatolian Turks are better related to other ethnic Anatolian populations, our only difference is our Turkic input.

Besides, I don't know why you are exaggerating the percentage so much. If the Turkic migration was a small percentage It could be possible that a smaller group over powers a greater group. Why not?? Natives assimilated with the ruling class doesn't sound so surprising to me.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q7pHFIHCgU.../s1600/bat.png

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Originally Posted by Pecheneg

Your asian admixture is quite high for an average european, isn't it? What's the percentage of asian/mongoloid admixture in scandinavia?

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It's fairly average for an East Norwegian, also there was another East Norwegian I believe who got almost 7% Turkic on the Bat calculator


Here in East Norway I'd say Mongoloid(East Asian+Northeast Asian) is in the 1-3% range(some might have more or less as well)

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Originally Posted by CircassianWine

Orangeplup I think your ancestors were either Armenians or Georgians who converted recently and took up the Turkic identity.

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Most likely at some period of history all her ancestors were brutally killed and only little remains of survived children were forcibly turkified.

For example this 80-year-old woman called Fatma Yavuz only by chance learned her real Armenian name at the age of 78. All her family were killed and she was given to a Turkish family.

http://i.radikal.com.tr/644x385/2012..._mf981465.Jpeg

Recently Fatma Yavuz sent a letter to the Turkish parliament and wrote about the suffering she endured, and demanded an apology for all this.

Here is the whole story and it's horrific.

Only God knows how many today's Turks living in Turkey are actually descendants of those people who were victims of invading from Central Asia tribes of genocidal killers.

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Originally Posted by Arsen_

Most likely at some period of history all her ancestors were brutally killed and only little remains of survived children were forcibly turkified.

For example this 80-year-old woman called Fatma Yavuz only by chance learned her real Armenian name at the age of 78. All her family were killed and she was given to a Turkish family.

http://i.radikal.com.tr/644x385/2012..._mf981465.Jpeg

Recently Fatma Yavuz sent a letter to the Turkish parliament and wrote about the suffering she endured, and demanded an apology for all this.

Here is the whole story and it's horrific.

Only God knows how many today's Turks living in Turkey are actually descendants of those people who were victims of invading from Central Asia tribes of genocidal killers.

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Excuse me!!! If anything the Armenians killed many of my ancestors and it did happen in my grandmothers village. I am not Armenians just because I have an affinity with Caucasus people. Please stop spreading bull shit. People of Erzurum were already Muslim when the Turks came to Anatolia due to the Arabs and thats why they easily accepted the Turkish identity cause the Turks were Muslims like them.

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Originally Posted by Arsen_

Most likely at some period of history all her ancestors were brutally killed and only little remains of survived children were forcibly turkified.

For example this 80-year-old woman called Fatma Yavuz only by chance learned her real Armenian name at the age of 78. All her family were killed and she was given to a Turkish family.

http://i.radikal.com.tr/644x385/2012..._mf981465.Jpeg

Recently Fatma Yavuz sent a letter to the Turkish parliament and wrote about the suffering she endured, and demanded an apology for all this.

Here is the whole story and it's horrific.

Only God knows how many today's Turks living in Turkey are actually descendants of those people who were victims of invading from Central Asia tribes of genocidal killers.

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Armenians of Byzantium welcomed the Seljuk conquest with celebrations and thanksgivings to God for having rescued them from Byzantine oppression. The Seljuk Turks gave protection to an Armenian Church, which the Byzantines had been trying to destroy. They abolished the oppressive taxes which the Byzantines had imposed on the Armenian churches, monasteries and priests, and in fact exempted such religious institutions from all taxes. The Armenian community was left free to conduct its internal affairs in its own way, including religious activities and-education, and there never was any time at which Armenians or other non-Muslims were compelled to convert to Islam. The Armenian spiritual leaders in fact went to Seljuk Sultan Melikshah to thank him for this protection. The Armenian historian Mathias of Edessa relates that,

"Melikshah's heart is full of affection and good will for Christians; he has treated the sons of Jesus Christ very well, and he has given the Armenian people affluence, peace, and happiness."

After the death of the Seljuk Sultan Kılıch Arslan, the same historian wrote,


"Kılıch Arslan's death has driven Christians into mourning since he was a charitable person of high character. "


i wonder when will you stop crying? when will you stop spreading your bullshit?
and btw, those so-called victims Kurdified, not Turkified.
You can search your blood-brothers among Kurds.

Interesting results. But Manchurian? Where did that come from?