Can we PLEASE add the Calabrese, Campanian, etc on the previous page or so I have posted them three times now.
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Can we PLEASE add the Calabrese, Campanian, etc on the previous page or so I have posted them three times now.
I plot what's entered into the spreadsheet : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?pli=1#gid=0Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
My ma's K7 is 16.25%- slightly lower then the both of you. Kind of interesting...she is half Russo-Polish/Ruthenian, 1/4 Danish, 1/4 German and does not get as much as a couple of Irish folk?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
Ok added them
Update (resolution 4096x2304 ) : http://postimg.org/image/l3xv7fbxr/full/
Minus Andronovo , Afanasievp and Stutgart samples. The first two are very eastern skewing the plot, while the latter (Stugart) is skewing the plot in south-western direction.
Ok so as we see:
Calabria and Crete are outlying, shifting toward the Lebanese.
East Sicily, Campania, and Aegean islands are very similar.
Ionian islands is halfway between western Sicily and the Peloponnese.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
do you know why me and my dad are not next to the calabrian/campanian samples?
I am unsure. He should be, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmv88
I am adding more Sicilians to the plot and a few more Greek islanders.
cool...i checked and our results are ok in the spreadsheetQuote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
I am putting another Calabrese in there. It seems so far Calabria and Crete are the most outlying regions. Aegean islanders seem to vary a lot, some near Sicily and others shifted to mainland Greece.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmv88
West Sicily 2 is the start of the ones I just added.
I wanna see the updated PCA, as I just added mine to the sheet.
I just realized Chloe is closer to the Sicilians and Greek islanders than the Peloponnesians ("Peloponnesian" and Raine's father) are.
Add mine to the spreadsheet too, if possible :)
Population
ANE 10.27%
ASE 0.27%
WHG-UHG 43.44%
East_Eurasian 0.76%
West_African 0.38%
East_African-
ENF 44.87%
I would love to see the Stutgart sample in this map. Can you you do that and then remove it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simargl
It would be close to Sardinians. I guess at some point we will need to have them, as well as Basques, as some sort of South+West references like Motala for the North, etc..
You mean the Stutgart man? And how come so southwest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Petalpusher
He's Neolithic from Stuttgart, basically a mix of WHG and ENF. That's close to what Sardinians today would be, they are the closest thing to a 50/50 with no ANE. Same goes for Basques, with North Europe WHG level and less ENF (a bit of ANE though)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chloe
Stuttgart
ANE 0%
ASE 0%
WHG-UHG 43.28%
East_Eurasian 0.21%
West_African 0%
East_African 0%
ENF 56.51%
Sardinian
ANE 0%
ASE 0%
WHG-UHG 49.49%
East_Eurasian 1.8%
West_African 0.01%
East_African 0.01%
ENF 48.69%
edit: added LastOn
Generally on most Autosomals, I sit north or North West of most people on this forum, on this it's just North. If you want to find out East and West in parts of Western/Central/Northern Europe. We are better doing a modern Calculator like K15 Eurogenes. The priority of this K7 or K8 is for older populations and how they move.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacDonald
Update. LastOn, StutgartNeolithic and Sardinian are added. http://postimg.org/image/xx4s9jxn9/full/
Do you have an idea why the Belgians are lower than France on this one (at least on WHG alone). I checked the average of France, there s a lot of people with 64, even 65 WHG, it seems very high since a Norman gets 63, some look like Basque, some like Brits, with 64 WHG, 14-15 ANE,..Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1051326962
Me and Sardinian are the same southern shifted. Stutgart Neolithic is more than us :eek:
In K8, WHG and ENF is better split.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petalpusher
On K7 Neolithics have both high WHG and ENF. Thus the WHG is harder to calculate for what is North or not & blurred.
It was something noticed yesterday looking at it.
So K8 is NE/ENF dominates the Neolithic Stuttgart. It's more accurate.
France probably scores more WHG than it should do.
K8 Eurogenes.
ANE NE WHG SEA East_Eurasian Oce Pygmy Sub-Saharan France 11.48 45.65 41.66 0.36 0.31 0.21 0.19 0.13 Stuttgart Neolithic 0.01 72.19 27.80 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 South Netherlands 13.25 43.05 42.60 0.38 0.54 0.00 0.18 0.00 North Netherlands 14.96 37.80 46.80 0.44 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Also think that North France and South France should be split on how they are labeled, there is difference. If you plot them on a pca you can see the stretch.
Population
ANE 12.85%
ASE 1.12%
WHG-UHG 58.55%
East_Eurasian 0.72%
West_African 0.58%
East_African -
ENF 26.14%
It's something i noticed too. About the results, i was thinking it also could be due to the Basques, since we usually only have a general France sample + a southwest. The paradox is as we go SW in France, the WHG increase as people begin to get related to Basques, so the South looks different but as average as France when everything adds up, it probably look more like a northern half average (with Breton around there) than a real average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
Where am I!?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simargl
There you go http://postimg.org/image/6qoot7ewj/full/Quote:
Originally Posted by MINARD777
You didn't input your West African i think, i guess it's 0 anyway if it makes 100%. Though the African is not really taken into account in 2D like this, it would also throw away people too much, like out of our screens with a couple %.Quote:
Originally Posted by MINARD777
If you check out K36 and the ancient genomes. There is something that you'll notice. Neolithic and West Hunter Gatherers only share one single component of all the different European components. And that is Basque.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petalpusher
Did I already ask how you read this?
My results have also been posted on the spreadsheet.
What about me? :Lightbeer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Simargl
Dad
Population
ANE 6.38%
ASE 1.06%
WHG-UHG 10.43%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 3.57%
ENF 78.56%
Me
Population
ANE 10.85%
ASE 1.61%
WHG-UHG 34.17%
East_Eurasian 0.09%
West_African -
East_African 2.99%
ENF 50.26%
Mom
Population
ANE 15.46%
ASE 2.02%
WHG-UHG 60.78%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.25%
East_African 0.85%
ENF 20.64%
Can we still be added to the PCA?!
Update
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?pli=1#gid=0
http://postimg.org/image/kjswyp58p/full/
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Someone accidentally edited a couple of records. Please copy the data into a separate sheet doing sorting and editing. Otherwise, it 's difficult to see what has been updated in the spreadsheet.
ANE K7:
ANE 14.85%
ASE 2.32%
WHG-UHG 57.25%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.42%
East_African -
ENF 25.16%
I put new Sicilians and Greeks on there who did not get added but maybe I put them in a confusing place.
So I'm going to assume the Northwestern quadrant is mostly Celto-Gemanic reference populations.
Northeastern quadrant is mostly indigenous-Norse/Balto-Slavic reference populations.
Southwestern quadrant is mostly Iberian/Italic/Balkan(?) reference populations.
Southeastern quadrant is Mediterranean shifted populations towards West Asia (?).
Balkanic populations such as Bulgarians, Romanians, Montenegrins, Kosovars, Albanians are in south-eastern quadrant. Some Greeks and Sicilians are extreme versions of south-eastern quadrant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armstrong
What do you make of the Peloponnesian and Raine's father (also Peloponnese)? They are not near the islanders and Sicilians, but they are also not quite with the other Balkan people. Which direction do they shift in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simargl