loooool
Yeah we can feel the breeze from Tuscany and Roma already mate...HAHA
(all group pics of Afghan Pashtuns)
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5144/...b4f74b7842.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5227/5...f2142a8272.jpg
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/ph...627048641n.jpg
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/i...0525184404.jpg
http://www.breachbangclear.com/wp-co...nTribesmen.jpg
http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/...t-featured.jpg
nono... :) absolutely nothing south asian :)... just tanned nordics/Atlanto-Meds.. :)
Jokes aside, they resemble Tajiks, Baloch/Brahui, Sindhi, Kashmiri, Gujjars, Punjabi Jatt, and some other high caste northwest Hindu Indians the most. Good looking people.
The same perpetual problem with you and your co-worker dynamo is that you two only talk. Talk, talk, talk, for the same fucking sake of talking and trying to distort reality. Still not one paper or one combination of PCA's/plots posted by either of you to support your arguments and motives. You both only refrain in saying Pakistani Pashtuns are not representative and other types of bullcrap without posting
any proof. You two obviously try to dodge every paper, plot and graph posted and resort in using weasel words, trolling, and posting individual examples to represent a whole population separated in two nations. You have some superiority feeling towards South Asian people who clearlyyyyy cluster very closely with Pashtuns as is seen in all my graphs, plots, papers, and even the random example posted by Dynamo.
Exactly and it's only due to geographical proximity as the Afghan Pashtuns live somewhat more northern. Nothing else. They try to blame everything on their Indo-Aryan genetic brethren living in wider South Asia.
Many many Pashtuns look Indid which is obvious as they cluster very closely with Sindhi's, Baloch, Kashmiris, etc. Even the posted results of your buddy show this ONCE again;
he's closer to Sindhi's than to any West Asian population.
Can you post me a group pic of at least five Pashtuns on the same pic that can all pass for Mediterranean Europeans? I sincerely sincerely doubt your first subjective statement. Afghan = nationality comprising Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Hazara, Sikh, Hindu, Dardic, etc. Pashtun = ethnicity mainly living in Pakistan and Afghanistan. But yes I agree Afghanistan as a nation is clearly Central Asian and their culture is rather skewed towards the ME and especially Central Asia. However, the various ethnicities living there are definetely not homogenous. Pashtuns are historically tied to South-Central Asia, while the Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc are virtually only tied to Central Asia. As one can see in the graphs, plots, papers the Tajiks, Uzbeks etc all clearly fall in the Central Asian cluster. Pashtuns however, the ones from Pakistan fall clear cut in the South Asian cluster, and the Afghan Pashtuns are on the edge of the Central Asian/South Asian cluster. All sources in this thread posted show this. Even the random sample posted by Dynamo show that he's very close to both Central Asian ethnicities such as Tajiks, but also close to Sindhi's, who are clearly South Asian.
HAHA, it only confirms everything I said once again.
Pashtuns from Afghanistan are on the bordering cluster of South Asia and Central Asia, while Pakistani Pashtuns fall clear cut in South Asia. That's why your friend, an Afghan Pashtun, gets a Pakistani Pashtun on the first place, a Tajik (central asian ethnicity) on the second place, and RIGHT after that a Burusho (SOUTH ASIAN), followed by three more Pakistani ethnicities (South Asian), and one Central Asian (Turkmen). You only confirmed all my statements once again.
Summary:
Afghani Pashtuns = border of the South Asian and Central Asian genetic cluster
Pakistani Pashtuns = South Asian clearly genetically
Pashtun culture (all Pashtuns) = Central Asian
Afghanistan = South-Central Asian
As you like random examples so much as well haha
Here,
an Indian Punjabi Jatt, your close genetic brethren. Just for you.
MDLP World 22.
Population Averages:
MDLP World-22 Oracle results
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West-Asian 35.78
2 Indian 31.98
3 North-East-European 10.75
4 Indo-Iranian 8.34
5 Samoedic 3.19
6 North-European-Mesolithic 2.57
7 Near_East 1.84
8 North-Amerind 1.82
9 Indo-Tibetan 1.45
10 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 1.41
11 East-Siberean 0.51
12 South-America_Amerind 0.34
13 Mesoamerican 0.02
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan (derived) 6.52
2 Burusho (derived) 6.88
3 Sindhi (derived) 11.02
4 Balochi (derived) 14.25
5 Pashtun (derived) 14.27
6 Jew_India (derived) 17.12
7 Brahui (derived) 18.79
8 Makrani (derived) 19.09
9 Tadjik (derived) 20.14
10 Parsi (derived) 21.03
11 Hindu (derived) 25.37
12 Turkmen (derived) 27.1
13 Roma (derived) 27.97
14 Uzbek (derived) 31.47
15 Indian (derived) 33.64
16 Nogai (derived) 33.82
17 Kumyk (derived) 33.85
18 Hazara (derived) 34.06
19 Iranian (derived) 34.06
20 Azeri (derived) 34.07
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.4% Pathan (derived) + 13.6% Indian (derived) @ 3.83
2 82.8% Pathan (derived) + 17.2% Hindu (derived) @ 3.93
3 93.1% Pathan (derived) + 6.9% Indian (ancestral) @ 4.01
4 64.7% Pashtun (derived) + 35.3% Hindu (derived) @ 4.17
5 83.6% Pashtun (derived) + 16.4% Indian (ancestral) @ 4.49
6 56% Tadjik (derived) + 44% Hindu (derived) @ 4.54
7 79.6% Pathan (derived) + 20.4% Jew_India (derived) @ 4.99
8 57.9% Hindu (derived) + 42.1% Tabassaran (derived) @ 5.3
9 58.2% Hindu (derived) + 41.8% Lak (derived) @ 5.41
10 59% Hindu (derived) + 41% Avar (derived) @ 5.51
11 55.3% Pathan (derived) + 44.7% Burusho (derived) @ 5.78
12 58.2% Hindu (derived) + 41.8% Lezgin (derived) @ 5.86
13 96.2% Burusho (derived) + 3.8% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 5.9
14 95.6% Burusho (derived) + 4.4% Lithuanian (derived) @ 5.94
15 95.3% Burusho (derived) + 4.7% Belarusian (derived) @ 5.94
16 95.5% Burusho (derived) + 4.5% Lithuanian_V (derived) @ 5.96
17 95.6% Burusho (derived) + 4.4% Latvian (derived) @ 5.98
18 95.4% Burusho (derived) + 4.6% Russian (derived) @ 6.01
19 95.3% Burusho (derived) + 4.7% Polish (derived) @ 6.01
20 95.2% Burusho (derived) + 4.8% Polish_V (derived) @ 6.01
He's even closer to Pakistani Pashtuns than your friend is lol.
Dodecad k12b,
Indian Punjabi Jatt
Admixture Results:
#Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 40.78
2 South_Asian 30.95
3 North_European 14.48
4 Caucasus 8.88
5 Southwest_Asian 2.32
6 Siberian 2.1
7 Atlantic_Med 0.41
8 East_African 0.1
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Jatt @ 7.216
2 Pathan @ 9.177
3 Burusho @ 11.200
4 Sindhi @ 14.130
5 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh @ 15.545
6 Meena @ 17.089
7 Kshatriya @ 19.331
8 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu @ 21.299
9 Indian @ 21.783
10 Cochin_Jews @ 21.856
223 iterations.
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You two are too butthurt and have a too high sense of superiority complexion to embrace and acknowledge the obvious facts that the Pashtun ethnic group are very close
genetically to other Northwestern South Asian populations like the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, High Caste Northwestern Hindu Indians, Burusho. Those from Pakistan more than those from Afghanistan. Now it's time for both of you to lower your heads, and start making dat curry. Cheers
