I'm fairly close to DK2
...Does this mean I have have very little Balto-Slavic input?
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I'm fairly close to DK2
...Does this mean I have have very little Balto-Slavic input?
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/04/i...-of-north.html
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9272/neuj.pngQuote:
Interactive MDS analysis of North European Americans
Here I ran my white American project members against sample sets from the UK, Ireland, Scandinavia, France, Poland, Germany, South and West Finland, and others. I chose these reference samples to help flesh out potential signals of ancestry from different parts of North, Central and Eastern Europe. On the other hand, I left out other references from the north, like the Lithuanians, who tend to polarize Northern Europe into east and west, and contract the western cluster. I don't know what they do this, because from what I've just seen, they're really not very different from Northwest Europeans at haploblock level (results of that analysis to be published here soon). Perhaps it's a result of some freaky allele frequencies due to founder effect? Anyway, refer to the "Test samples" sheet to see which MDS you're on, and follow the instructions below
NO2 : I'm between UK21 and NO6
Only 'IE9' is above me, as I circle around the dizzy heights of Atlantean purity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
DOWN with IE9! IE9 Delenda EST! :rage
^ Watch out, there's a shortage of oxygen up there.
I fear that may be all too evident in the average quality of my posts... :suomut:Quote:
Originally Posted by Polako
Eurogenes 500K BGA project ID list
https://docs.google.com/document/edi...Y&hl=en&pli=1#
Listed Norwegians
NO1 Evon_Evon - Western Norwegian
NO2 Pallantides/Homogenic - Eastern Norwegian
NO3 Calamus - Eastern Norwegian
NO5 Chortogaeus/kaiono - Eastern Norwegian
NO6 SteveT - ½ Eastern Norwegian, ¼ Western Norwegian, ¼ Swedish
Traces of Neolithic migration waves in our genomes...?
My result
Basque 42.53%
Chuvash 57.45%
Armenian 0%
Nganassan + Dolgan + Yukagir 0%
:)Quote:
In order, Britain and Ireland
Basque (Neolithic West Wave), Chuvash (Neolithic East Wave), Armenian (Neolithic Wave 2) Nganassan + Dolgan + Yukagir (Aboriginal North Eurasian).
uk1 0.541813 0.423182 0.034995 0.00001
uk14 0.550944 0.425004 0.024042 0.00001
uk15 0.531578 0.449969 0.018443 0.00001
uk16 0.538107 0.420225 0.041658 0.00001
uk17 0.409556 0.481622 0.108812 0.00001
uk19 0.577071 0.412444 0.010475 0.00001
uk20 0.539665 0.460315 0.00001 0.00001
uk21 0.57612 0.42386 0.00001 0.00001
uk22 0.527733 0.407491 0.064766 0.00001
uk23 0.564837 0.393265 0.041888 0.00001
uk25 0.570645 0.416 0.013345 0.00001
uk26 0.514189 0.466181 0.01962 0.00001
uk3 0.55977 0.409264 0.030956 0.00001
uk4 0.535696 0.408467 0.055827 0.00001
uk6 0.553375 0.434468 0.012148 0.00001
uk8 0.55395 0.433201 0.012839 0.00001
uk9 0.541926 0.444802 0.013262 0.00001
IE10 0.552994 0.435617 0.011379 0.00001
IE3 0.569858 0.430122 0.00001 0.00001
IE4 0.543716 0.447311 0.008963 0.00001
IE5 0.504717 0.430929 0.064344 0.00001
IE6 0.576161 0.423819 0.00001 0.00001
IE7 0.520626 0.472666 0.006698 0.00001
IE8 0.568659 0.431321 0.00001 0.00001
IE9 0.537759 0.462221 0.00001 0.00001
My result
uk19
Basque 0.577071
Chuvash 0.412444
Armenian 0.010475
Nganassan + Dolgan + Yukagir .0.00001
Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Danes and Germans
1. Basque 2. Chuvash 3. Armenian 4. Nganassan + Dolgan + Yukagir
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/397/neolithic1.png
Armenian seem to be absent in all the Norwegian and Swedish participants but more frequent in the British and Germans, also one of the Danes have it.
My results are in. I got 49% Basque. That was really the only figure I cared about.
how and where do I submit mine?
Mine:
Basque 41.25
Chuvash 40.05
Armenian 18.68
Nganassan + Dolgan + Yukagir 0.00
Basque: 49.8
Chuvash: 46.4
Armenian: 3.8
Nganassan + Dolgan + Yukagir: 0.00
Intra-North European ADMIXTURE analysis (unsupervised)
My results:
Red (Western European) 74.3%
Green (Finnish) 11.0%
Aqua (Russian) 14.5%
Purple (Baltic) 00.0%
It is interesting where I deviate from Germans and Dutch - all the German samples have quite a bit of Baltic, and the single Dutch one. I am very different from Hungarian since they have large chunks of Baltic seemingly. In this regard, again, my result seems closer to UK samples. But the UK samples seem to have either a Finnish or Russian "minority". I have both in fairly equal measures.
I wasn't on that one.
I'm 2nd to last. The rest are Greeks & Italians:
http://i56.tinypic.com/5foyom.png
^Key:
Red = French (Atlantic)
Orange = Romanian (North Balkan)
Light Green = Cypriot (Eastern Mediterranean)
Green = Jordanian + Palestinian (Middle Eastern)
Aqua = Selected Mozabite Berber (North African)
Dark Blue = Norwegian + Swedish (North European)
Purple = Armenian + Georgian (Anatolian & Caucasus)
Pink = Chuvash (Volga-Ural)
I've just done some workings, and the samples who are closest to me are:
(Western European) (Finnish) (Russian) (Baltic)
FR 0.905241 0.04187 0.052879 0.00001
FR 0.803418 0.060144 0.136428 0.00001
Orcadian 0.801105 0.113429 0.085456 0.00001
UK14 0.837241 0.055214 0.107535 0.00001
UK22 0.846432 0.130924 0.022634 0.00001
Loki 0.743881 0.110156 0.145954 0.00001
NO1 0.69472 0.196717 0.108553 0.00001
NO8 0.664788 0.261191 0.074011 0.00001
The Dutch, NL1 is interesting, such a high Western, relatively high Finnish and no Balto-Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Yes, unfortunately one cannot draw conclusions from one sample. Would be good to have more Dutch samples on board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
Only NO8 has more "Finnish" than you. ;)
Also a few of the Swedes have higher "Finnish" values than me,
what I find interesting is that SE8 and myself are the only Scandinavians with no "Russian".
edit* I believe NO8 have some Swedish ancestry, wich could explain his higher Finnish score.
Without overstretching things (this is just a test calculation and one could use other values I guess) I would associate a "Baltic and Russian" contribution with R1a carriers and probably even Indo-Europeans, in any case more Eastern and South Eastern influences.
I just wonder how the results would look, if a South Eastern component would be included, because now that ("Neolithic"/Near Eastern) component might be distributed among the 4 used components in a specific way...
Britons show more Finn than the French, Germans, Hungarians, and Poles.
Well, R1a1 dispersed some IE languages (e.g., Indo-Iranian and Balto-Slavic). I think the Near Eastern is more likely or much a subset of Russian for this run. The Baltic shows a stronger Northeast gradient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
Baltics are predominantly N1cQuote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
The "Neolithic belt" and surrounds at K=8
Polako included mainly Southern Europeans (among Europeans) in this run. I was included, too:
There is a major difference between me and modern Southern Europeans - I do not have any North African and Middle Eastern, whereas they seem to have sizeable portions of it.Code:East Eurasian 0.02405
European + Anatolian 0.884999
North African 0.00001
South Asian 0.067035
Middle Eastern 0.00001
West Central African 0.015725
East African 0.00001
West African 0.008161
I think that should be more with the Finnish element.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iberia
Hello, I'm NO8 in the Eurogenes-project. He accepted my raw-data not too long ago. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
Well, as far as I know, I do not have any considerable ancestry from Sweden, but some of my most recent ancestors came from eastern Norway not far from the Swedish border, so who knows? I should perhaps do some deeper investigation into my genealogy.
That's interesting. What associations do you get regarding the "Finnish" and "Western-European" used in this analysis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
Well, Western European could be a combination of Atlantic + Western Neolithic probably and Finnish should be North Eastern Mesolithic + Uralic.Quote:
That's interesting. What associations do you get regarding the "Finnish" and "Western-European" used in this analysis?
But that is just my personal impression :)
:thumbs upQuote:
Originally Posted by Olavsson
My bad, it was evon from abf who listed you as swe/no on ABF in this graph he made:
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...postcount=3512
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4...0416131534.jpg
Are there detail graphs for other ethnicities as well, the huge graph is not really that clearly arranged to say the least...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
The higher the "Baltic", the lower the "Russian". I guess that is a computational thing also with those two being close.
evon made that graph, here are the UK and Irish avarages by quotablepatella from ABF:
http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/9...ishaverage.png
http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/5...oukaverage.png
Ask him whether he used a standard program of Win or something else :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
Your color key is a little messed up, isn't it? (Green is red, red is blue, aqua is green.) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
I didn't make it... but quotablepatella from ABF did, I just reposted it here because Agrippa asked if there were more graphs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Electronic God-Man
UK17 looks like he has recent baltic admixture
It really just shows that Baltic-Russian is messed up in my opinion, because that distribution makes little sense and the differentiation of this component should be particularly weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
He has some Polish or Ukrainian ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iberia
My result:
34.7% Basque
65.29% Chuvash
0% Armenian
0% Nganassan + Dolgan + Yukagir
My result:
10% Western-European
29% Finnish
0% Russian
61% Baltic
Translation of Polako's terms:
Genetically Northern-Finnic group = Finnish
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Neolithic.gif
Genetically Southern-Finnic group = Baltic
Professional scientists have concluded that the linguistically Finnic Estonians and linugistically Indo-European Balts mostly descend from the same native (southern) Finnic population of the area.
But Polako is a funny guy:
Quote:
Indo-Europeans were in Finland long before the Uralics got there.
Certain Uralic elements seem to have entered North Eastern Europe pretty late, so he might be right.