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I do not recall if he has a Dodecad North Italian population. He, of course, does have the Behar North Italian population to use. I unfortunately am not familiar with the origins of the samples comprising the "C_Italian_D" population.Quote:
Originally Posted by alzo zero
Added a few more populations. Not to be taken too seriously. It is a decent rough guide. For example, Spanish and Portuguese have shown to be closely related genetically, as have Assyrians and Armenians.
C_Italian are Central Italians. There are also two North Italian samples, the one from Bergamo (Behar et al.) and the one from north-italian members.Quote:
Originally Posted by alzo zero
lol , seems also this time Scandinavians are a bit more arabic than Spaniards, they have 2% Southwest Asian and Spaniards 1.8 % , new spreadsheet.
The Spanish are almost as Western European as they are Mediterranean.. and all other components are very minor.
Some more populations added:
All populations North of a certain line seem to have less South West Asian, Dutch, German, Mixed Germanic, British - all other Germanics too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iberia
But Swedes and Norwegians both have more (2 percent).
That is rather strange to my eyes and needs an explanation, this or that way.
Well, hI broke off from hJ some while ago. Could have something to do with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
What do you mean with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastarnae
I was saying that since haplogroup I and haplogroup J diverged from the same haplogroup some 25,000-30,000 years BP that this could be why Swedes have some S-W Asian on dodecad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
http://i53.tinypic.com/2j3sd2f.jpg
On a second thought, I doubt that's actually the reason why.:p
I doubt it too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bastarnae
well, New European scores (Med + West euro + East euro) ranking :
- Lithuanian_D 99.1
- Polish_D 95.8
- Norwegian_D 92.8
- Swedish_D 92.7
- German_D 91.7
- British_Isles_D 91.5
- French_D 91.3
- Irish_D 91.1
- Finnish_D 91
- British_D 90.9
- Spanish_D 90.3
- Dutch_D 89.9
- Russian_D 89.7
- Mixed_Germanic_D 88.2
- Portuguese_D 84.9
- N_Italian_D 83.9
- C_Italian_D 69.4
- Greek_D 68.5
- Sicilian_D 63.5
- S_Italian_Sicilian_D 62.5
- S_Italian_D 61.9
- Ashkenazi_D 57.1
Notice huge difference between rank 16 and 17.
Thanks but the real question was actually meant to be what Dienekes considers to be "Central Italian" and "Northern Italian" respectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iberia
Norwegian/Swedish averages
East European 9.6/13
West European 68.3/66.1
Mediterranean 14.9/13.6
Neo African 0/0
West Asian 4/4.6
South Asian 0.2/0.1%
Northeast Asian 0.7/0.4
Southeast Asian 0.1/0.1
East African 0/0
Southwest Asian 2/2
Northwest African 0.1/0.1
Palaeo African 0/0
I hope he posts the indivdiual results soon, though I'm fairly certain my Southwest Asian score is 0%.
Meh....I think there's something wrong with that Lithuanian sample. It might come from a small town or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iberia
Poles would top the list in an analysis with a more comprehensive sampling IMHO.
Area charts of the Dodecad v3 K=12 reduced to five components, for all populations with at least 5% SW Asian, and sorted in descending order according to the five components:
1.Total African (Neo + Palaeo + Northwest + East)
2.Total European (East + West + Mediterranean)
3.West Asian + Southwest Asian
4.South Asian
5.Total East Asian (Northeast + Southeast)
Code:POPID AFRI EURO WSWA SASI EASI
Armen 0 32 66 2 0
AsJew 4 57 37 0 2
Assyri 0 27 70 2 0
Baloc 3 21 41 34 2
Bedou 15 23 61 1 0
Brahu 3 20 42 33 1
Citaly 1 69 29 0 0
Druze 4 35 61 1 0
Eafri 73 4 23 0 0
Greek 0 69 31 0 0
Irani 0 25 61 10 4
Makra 7 19 44 30 1
Nafri 44 37 18 1 0
Pales 13 30 55 1 1
Sardi 3 86 11 0 0
Sicily 4 63 31 1 0
Sitaly 3 62 35 0 0
SITSIC 3 63 34 1 0
Turki 1 41 51 2 5
Tusca 1 72 26 0 0
Update now, the Basques score 98.5, being in second place beating poles :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Polako
Individual V3, K=12 results are coming in now.:thumb001:
http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/06/...olling-in.html
My results(DOD197):
East_European 13.9
West_European 67.9
Mediterranean 12.9
Neo_African 0
West_Asian 4.3
South_Asian 0
Northeast_Asian 1.1
Southeast_Asian 0
East_African 0
Southwest_Asian 0 (like I predicted:))
Northwest_African 0
Palaeo_African 0
Norwegian_D averages:
East_European 9.6
West_European 68.3
Mediterranean 14.9
Neo_African 0
West_Asian 4
South_Asian 0.2
Northeast_Asian 0.7
Southeast_Asian 0.1
East_African 0
Southwest_Asian 2
Northwest_African 0.1
Palaeo_African 0
West Asian: 27.9
West European: 25.7
Mediteranean: 21.4
East European: 17.9
South-west Asian: 3.1
North-east Asian: 1.8
South Asian: 1.6 (Gypsy?:cry2)
South-east Asian: 0.2
East African: 0.2
North-west African: 0.2
East_European
DOD061 - 7.5
DOD197 - 13.9
DOD279 - 8.7
DOD306 - 8.8
DOD329 - 12.6
DOD340 - 14.8
West_European
DOD061 - 72.9
DOD197 - 67.9
DOD279 - 70
DOD306 - 67
DOD329 - 65.5
DOD340 - 62.9
Mediterranean
DOD061 - 12.1
DOD197 - 12.9
DOD279 - 14.5
DOD306 - 20
DOD329 - 13.2
DOD340 - 12
Neo_African
DOD061 - 0
DOD197 - 0
DOD279 - 0
DOD306 - 0
DOD329 - 0
DOD340 - 0
West_Asian
DOD061 - 2.8
DOD197 - 4.3
DOD279 - 3.5
DOD306 - 3
DOD329 - 6.7
DOD340 - 5.8
South_Asian
DOD061 - 0
DOD197 - 0
DOD279 - 0
DOD306 - 0.9
DOD329 - 0
DOD340 - 1.1
Northeast_Asian
DOD061 - 1.2
DOD197 - 1.1
DOD279 - 0
DOD306 - 0
DOD329 - 0
DOD340 - 1.5
Southeast_Asian
DOD061 - 0
DOD197 - 0
DOD279 - 0.1
DOD306 - 0.3
DOD329 - 0.8
DOD340 - 0
East_African
DOD061 - 0
DOD197 - 0
DOD279 - 0
DOD306 - 0
DOD329 - 0
DOD340 - 0
Southwest_Asian
DOD061 - 3.5
DOD197 - 0
DOD 279 - 1.4
DOD306 - 0
DOD329 - 1.2
DOD340 - 1.8
Northwest_African
DOD061 - 0
DOD197 - 0
DOD279 - 0.7
DOD306 - 0
DOD329 - 0
DOD340 - 0
Palaeo_African
DOD061 - 0
DOD197 - 0
DOD279 - 0
DOD306 - 0
DOD329 - 0
DOD340 - 0
DOD061 - East Norwegian
DOD197 - Me
DOD279 - West Norwegian
DOD306 - West Norwegian
DOD329 - 3/4 Norwegian, 1/4 Swedish + Forest Finn
DOD340 - Norwegian and some Swedish(?)
*These are not all the Norwegians in the project, also Olavsson's results are not in yet.
That's not fair! I was sure my results were going to be up there today...:cryQuote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
:p
Your numbers are up now.
Seems most the East Norwegians in the project have atleast 1% Northeast_Asian, while it's absent in the West Norwegians, I guess this could come from Forest Finns or ancient Saami?
Also notice how the Norwegians who don't score some Northeast Asian_got a tiny bit of Southeast_Asian?:confused:
Northeast_Asian
DOD061 - 1.2
DOD197 - 1.1
DOD279 - 0
DOD306 - 0
DOD329 - 0
DOD340 - 1.5
DOD620 - 1.7
Southeast_Asian
DOD061 - 0
DOD197 - 0
DOD279 - 0.1
DOD306 - 0.3
DOD329 - 0.8
DOD340 - 0
DOD620 - 0
Who are the Southeast Asians used as a reference population for this?
Me:
44.8 West_European
26.6 Mediterranean
12.2 East_European
10.8 West_Asian
1.6 Southwest_Asian
1.5 Southeast_Asian
1.4 Neo_African
0.9 Palaeo_African
0.1 East_African
0.1 Northwest_African
0 South_Asian
0 Northeast_Asian
Highest Southeast Asians:Quote:
Originally Posted by cmariexo
Population Southeast_Asian
Dai 91.8
Lahu 91.7
CHS 89.9
CHD 88.2
Miaozu 88.2
CHB 85.5
She 85.4
Tujia 85.4
MAS 84
Han 83.9
JPT 82.8
Cambodians 80.9
Yizu 80.8
Naxi 80.2
Chinese_D 80.1
Japanese 75.6
Korean_D 74.4
Japanese_D 70.8
Alright folks. Here's my results for DOD620 (Norwegian average in red!)
67.2% West European (68.3%)
10.4 East European (9.6%)
12.6% Mediterranean (14.9%)
8% West Asian (4%)
1.7% Northeast Asian (0.7%)
0% South Asian (0.2%)
0% Southeast Asian (0.1%)
0% Southwest Asian (hah!) (2%)
0% East African (0%)
0% Neo African (0%)
0% Northwest African (0.1%)
0% Palaeo African (0%)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are mostly Southeast Asian?? This surprises me.
Populations with the highest Southeast_Asian scores are the Dai(91.8) and Lauh(91.7)Quote:
Originally Posted by cmariexo
http://www.chinatoday.com/people/chi...dai_family.jpg
http://www.chinatoday.com/people/chi...ahu_family.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmariexo
Population Japanese_D Korean_D Chinese_D
Source Dodecad Dodecad Dodecad
N 5 5 9
East_European 0.9 0.6 0.8
West_European 0 0 0
Mediterranean 0 0 0
Neo_African 0 0 0
West_Asian 0 0 0
South_Asian 1.5 0 0.5
Northeast_Asian 26.7 24.9 18.5
Southeast_Asian 70.8 74.4 80.1
East_African 0 0 0
Southwest_Asian 0 0 0
Northwest_African 0 0 0
Palaeo_African 0 0 0
Well I guess the question is what constitutes "Northeast Asian" if Japanese for instance are not mostly of said origin?
Highest:Quote:
Originally Posted by cmariexo
Population Northeast_Asian
Yakut 61.3
Dolgan 53.2
Selkup 53.2
Yukagir 52
Oroqen 48.6
Buryat 48.4
Tuva 46.7
Hezhen 39.2
Mongol 38.4
Altai 38.4
Daur 37.2
Mongola 32.5
Xibo 28.7
Japanese_D 26.7
Korean_D 24.9
Japanese 24.2
Ohh okay that makes sense. :) Thank you.
Yakut are the most Northeast Asian.
* damn to late again, my internet speed is slow today.
It is interesting, especially in the Norwegian sample, how West Asian and South West Asian are often not related to each other at all. Whether this is how it is detected-measured, or how the components are distributed because of other factors, I don't know, but it is interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
061 has 3,5 SWA, which is pretty much for a Northern European, but his WA is very low with 2,8 (very strange proportion for the North), whereas Olavsson with the highest WA (8) has zero SWA!
Probably recombination by chance if it is not the result of the method itself.
If these component are low and not evenly distributed in a population, individual results might just reflect those recombinations by chance quite often.
My scores, DOD345
71.5 Western European
18.1 Mediterranean
06.2 West Asian
04.0 Southwest Asian
00.1 Northwest Africa
Mine is finally up after a bit of waiting.
Mediterranean: 35.8% (Hellenic influence)
East European: 30.1% (Slavic influence)
West European: 18.2% (Celtic?)
West Asian: 12.4% (Sarmatian and/or Scythian influence?)
Southwest Asian: 1.9% (Persian influence?)
Northeast Asian: 1.6% (Turkic influence?)
Neo African: 0.1% (noise?)
South Asian: 0%
Northwest African: 0%
Palaeoafrican: 0%
Southeast Asian: 0%
East African: 0%
What is Italy's average for West European? Are they more West European than they are Mediterranean or is it the other way around?
North Italy west/med : 32.8 / 49.6Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotheosis
Central Italy : 20.6 / 44.9
South Italy : 12 / 46.8
Why have you taken the values from different sources (the HDGP for Northern Italians and Dienekes for C+S Italian)? Don't answer, rethoric question...Quote:
Originally Posted by Iberia
Actually, to keep uniformity (all taken from the Dodecad P. :rolleyes:) it should be like this.
North Italy west/med : 33.5 / 44.7
Central Italy : 20.6 / 44.9
South Italy : 12 / 46.8
I chosed the one from HDGP because it has a bigger sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by alzo zero
Ooooh sure, ok. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Iberia