Of course not, it's a critique on how Westerners have no idea on how to differentiate between Scythians and local cultures or even Huns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
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Of course not, it's a critique on how Westerners have no idea on how to differentiate between Scythians and local cultures or even Huns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
Yes that’s true. The Moldovan E-V13 lived thousands of years before the Scythians according to the date. It was most likely associated with the western Yamna culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
I'll read it when I have the time. But I'm specifically talking about that Moldovan E-V13 sample that they attributed to the Scythian culture even though it predates the Scythian or Daco-Getae culture unless they got the dating wrong. That sample has nothing to do directly with Dacians or Getae unless his descendants were the direct ancestors of Dacians. And attributing the other Scythians who had high neolithic admixture that gives them similarities to paleo-balkanites to Dacians based on their autosmal dna can also be wrong. They could have been direct descendants of yamnaya + neolithics and just happened to have higher neolithic admxiture but had no direct cultural ties to Dacians. That's all I'm saying. But I haven't read up much about this specific subject so I could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
He predates them, but he's identical genetically to scy300 and scy305, who were identified as Geto-Thracians. It could be a coincidence or maybe he is their ancestor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
Apparently Che Guevara belonged to haplogroup R1b. And he wasn't exactly a fairy-tale Prince of Peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
Attachment 111908
"Yes, my father killed – but revolutions are almost always violent," Guevara's daughter, who lives in Cuba, said in a speech in England.
Che: An assassin or a revolutionary?
https://archive.is/VgiNZ#selection-1499.0-1499.252Quote:
My paternal haplogroup was reported as ‘R1b1a1a2a1a1c2a1’ which I was impressed to discover was easy to research online, and I quickly found my position on several Y DNA phylogenetic trees. My paternal migratory path with top-line info is shown below:
https://archive.is/PIvc4Quote:
Che Guevara, from Communist Firebrand to Capitalist Brand ... making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine.
Origin of E-M35 lineages explained:
Ancestral North African, ANA(separated from OOA before basal Eurasians did)> Mushabian culture in North Africa, Eastern Africa>Mushabians migrating west (E-M78) forming the Iberomaurusians, Mushabians that migrated east into Levant mixed with local Kebaran culture to form natufians(E-Z827)> Cardialware culture that was found through Levant and North Africa > E-M78 Europe, or E-M78 could have entered Europe in the Mesolithic from Gibraltar.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V22/
The E-V22 and all its subclades look at all the European flags, there are more every day, look at the TMRCA dates.
A new user has just put England in first place. formed 8100 ybp, TMRCA 6200 ybp
You are not E1b1b if FTDNA determined otherwise. Yet you trust some obscure-ass Australian company (I'm surprised it's not an Indian company, lol).Quote:
Originally Posted by VikLevaPatel
E-M81 is somewhat recent in Northwest Africa, having migrated from the Middle East/Northeast Africa. The Iberomaurusians being E-M78. The fact that the oldest E-L618 was found in Spain points to an entry through Gibraltar. It then mutated into E-V13 and spread east, and then it went through two huge bottlenecks in Central Europe and spread again from there. From then on it seems to be explained here well enough.
Furthermore, most recent studies point to DE, and then E*, having originated somewhere in the Middle East in a Proto-Caucasian population, and then entering Africa. The Saharan branches having stayed Caucasian, and the Subsaharan branches having conquered and mixed with original pigmy like Subsaharan A and B populations. Therefore, all this talk about E* or E1b1 being originally non-Caucasian is BS, mainly propagated to make Europeans feel less white and be more hospitable to non white migrants.
Natufians
Yes, I'm seeing that in my latest Y-DNA report from the Origene lab in Mauritius.Quote:
Originally Posted by reboun
The laboratory is fully accredited, and they gave me the best Y-DNA report I've ever had in my life. Hallelujah! Hallelujah! :fpope::angel:
It should pointed out, however, that as we go down through the branches of the genetic tree, , or, more precisely, as we follow the line of descent of the E haplogroup, we will see that it is "actually Proto-Semitic". The Origene report identifies it as such.
:salam::jewish:
I'll post more details later, and I'll post a full report here.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...79#post7541179
Within haplogroup E, which represents the majority of the Y chromosomes found in Africa, E1b1 is the haplogroup which has the greatest geographic distribution.
And, as expected, and I realize this is simplifying things, the Africans belongs to haplogroups A, B or E, the Europeans mainly to haplogroups R and I, and the Asians mainly to haplogroups O, D and C.
That's over simplifying, of course. And, for the most part, this involves simplifying things.
Belonging is important and I belong to three Y-haplogroups, viz. C, E1b1b, and R1b.
See these posts to get a better understanding of this.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...92#post7530192
It is hard to overemphasize the impact of this point on discussions of haplogroups and sub-haplogroups and their relation to STR and SNP genotypes and haplotypes:
STR markers mutate rapidly, at a rate of once every 20 generations. Fast mutating STR markers can be used to trace recent ancestry, within the past hundreds of years. SNP markers mutate very slowly, once every few thousand years. Slow mutating SNP markers can only trace deep ancestry from thousands of years ago, and do not provide any information on recent ancestral events.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...92#post7530192
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...astoralism.%20Quote:
Although most of the data sets in our study define the deep ancestry of the phylogeny, they still shed some information to our interpretations of recent phenomena such as the current genetic diversity of the E haplogroup in an implication to the origin and spread of Afro-Asiatic languages and to the history of pastoralism.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...%20history.%20Quote:
Intuitively, the high correlation between geographical distribution of some of the major E haplogroups and distribution of Afro-Asiatic languages, exemplary of established correlation between languages and genes as proposed by Cavalli-Sforza prompted us to revisit such correlation in a multidisciplinary platform better suited to unravel hitherto untold chapters of human history.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...l.%202014).%20Quote:
This paragroup, although very rare, being reported so far in two Saudi Arabian samples (Abu-Amero et al. 2009) and one southern African Bantu (Karafet et al. 2008), is of crucial relevance for phylogeographic inferences about the origin of haplogroup E and linked hypotheses about movements out of and back to Africa (Hammer et al.1998; Underhill and Kivisild 2007; Scozzari et al. 2014).
Some of those countries listed are ectomorph because they’re malnourished, not much to do with their haplogroup. Most countries in Europe with the E1b1b type are medium to tall and range from all body types; Greece, Albania, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
FYI slender builds are more common in Southern Europe because they have the healthiest diets. Robust dad-body’s are a sign of working-class people with unhealthy diets and beer drinking habits (Americans and Northern Europe). Gracile>Robust.
I can’t speak for the rest, but depending on which region Greeks have even more amount of E-V13 than Albanians, reaching 31% in Thessaly and Epirus. For the Peloponnese and Sterea it is 25%. Greece is a bigger country than Albania in terms of both landmass and especially population, so overall Albanians have a little bit more E1b1 per-capita when all regions of Greece are put together on a scale. But the numbers are still close enough to say the there is no significant difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
No. Eupedia noted that the Indo-Europeans eventually carried some EV13 along the way. But it did not originate from them nor was it brought to the Balkans by them. It’s more likely that it originated somewhere in the Levant and was brought to the Balkans with the spread Anatolian Farmers prior to or during the arrival of Indo-Europeans entering the Balkan area & being introduced to the haplogroup.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarknessWin
The Indo-Europeans are known for introducing the R1 haplogroup to the Balkan area, and of course the rest of Europe.
I am EV-13 myself which is apparently really rare among ethnic Poles and I have not come across another Polish forum member with it (also including a few other message boards).
West Asia, except for E-M81 which is Northwest African.
From Africa.
According to these nutcases every E-V13 is Thracian :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy
Are you from Southern Poland or in anyway connected to the Goral community? Carpathian Vlach migration seems like good guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy
From different historical periods starting from early times onwards.
For example in my case that I am E-V22 I get delta 0 by order of closeness to:
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Y-DNA Matches
Males inherit a Y-chromosome haplogroup from their father which represents the all male lineage.
If you have had your Y-haplogroup tested, you can enter the result here to find matches with the same haplogroup.
Females who have had a direct male relative (e.g. father, brother, uncle) tested can also use those results.
DELTA 0
Sample Match #285
Migration Period Sipar Croatia - R3664
Belgae + Boii (9.98)
1. Southwest_French (13.56)
Sample Match #508
Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada - I3579
Visigoth + Volcae (13.77)
1. Spanish_Aragon (11.79)
Sample Match #831
Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada - I3583
Latin + Phoenician (5.101)
1. Spanish_Cantabria (18.65)
2. Spanish_Aragon (18.66)
3. Spanish_Andalucia (18.94)
Sample Match #559
Medieval Tyrolian - SZ18
Visigoth + Frank (4.203)
Frank + Pannonian (4.415)
Visigoth + Pannonian (4.64)
Frank + Scordisci (4.672)
1. French (5.382)
DELTA 1
Thracian Kapitan Andreevo Bulgaria - I19494
Imperial Roman Era Zadar Ulica Croatia - R3745
Iron Age Vekerzug Komarno Slovakia - I14465
Iron Age Celtic Hungary Gyor-Moson-Sopron - I18527
Early Medieval Venosa Italy - VEN008
Girona Sant Julia de Ramis - I10853
Early Medieval Iberia Granada - I3981
Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark - VK362
And a long e.t.c. besides increasing the delta 2,3, e.t.c.
With this Delta 4 for example, I also have Deep Dive:
Iron Age Hillfort Croatia Kriz Brdovecki Sava Valley - I5724
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (1.795)
1. Spanish_Cataluña (5.736)
For example this sample that appears in bold and comes out if I click on the button to show all the samples I get Delta 0 but by haplogroup, it does not appear as a match in more than 1000 old matches because we should no longer share anything by autosomal DNA and for that reason I do not get this sample in match; even if we have the same haplogroup.
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Ptolemaic Egypt - JK2888
E1b1b1a1b2-V22 - delta:0
When all this started, if I remember correctly, it was more than 10 years talking about haplogroups, many were affected and marked in those years and came to think that haplogroups were everything or that everything was already done, which is obviously not the case, as we have seen later.
My entry by haplogroup in Europe would be in early times, I have been given for Spain the entry in Roman times but I do not agree since I consider that it is in modern times.
I am not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Florin Radu
Africa
From EEF, later from N. Africans, Levantines and Arabs
https://youtu.be/DujzIQ-ZcWEQuote:
Originally Posted by Roy