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A PH908 ? Oko njega se vodi najviše polemike.....ja mislim da pripada i jednima i drugima.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate
Btw, čak i ja imam jako dalekog pretka Srbina xD Srbo Makeridov je po njima meni daleki rod, i kaže da su oni R1a M458. haha
Ti nemaš kulture, nego onu bezličnu jugo kulturu tako da sa Hrvatima nemaš ništa (hvala bogu)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Samoj nemoj misliti da tvoja anacionalna ''kultura'' bez identiteta predstavlja Bosnu i Bošnjake.
Zavisi iz koje se perspektive gleda. Ja sam lično mišljenja, kao i Cosmo, da su original Srbi i Hrvati bili neka R1a.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Ali što se tiče srednjovekovnog porekla, recimo DYS19=14 PH908 rod koji je čest kod Hrvata iz Dalmacije i zapadne Hercegovine tu definitivno dolazi sa istoka, što zbog toga što se jedna neobjavljena srpska porodica iz istočne Hercegovine koja pripada tom rodu pominje u Popovu Polju još u 14. veku, što zbog toga što takvi haplotipovi postoje i istočnije, u Polimlju, kao i u dalekoj bugarskoj.
Po čemu ti definišeš pojam stranac? S obzirom da se i po Y-DNA i po autosomalu BiH i Hrvatska vrlo dobro podudaraju.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Sve zavisi gdje je živjelo pleme od I2 haplogrupe. Ako je istina da je postojalo neko pleme kod Karpata... onda ne vidim razlog zašto i oni ne bi učestvovali u etnogenezi proto-Srba (slavenskih), da ne ubacujemo sada Sarmatske teorije i dalja moguća porijekla.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate
Ima ona teorija o vezi onih nekih českih PH908 sa Srbima, al ja nešto nisam ubedjen u tu teoriju.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Thread has been sucessfully Balkanized.
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Zanimljivo. Moj tata ima vrijednost 16 na DYS19 markeru.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate
To je modalno za I2a1b na tom markeru, pa i nije baš puno od koristi što se tiče daljeg porekla. Generalno je I2a1b dosta težak za izučavanje nekog relativno skorijeg porekla.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Ja živim na granici sa Hrvatskom i znam puno Hrvata.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Hrvati su kulturno potpuno drugačiji narod dok Srbi, Makedonci, Crnogorci su drugačiji
Hrvati su ko Austrijanci nekakav odsutan i letargičan narod... uopste ne razumijem ni njihov humor, ništa ... kao da se nikad ni poznavali nismo.
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Hrvati iz Like i Dalmatinske Zagore pa i Posavine takvi nisu. Makedonci slični Bosancima (sva 3 naroda) mentalitetom ? Baš....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Btw, sve te grupe imaju svoj poseban mentalitet koji nije previše sličan.
Razlika u mentalitetu je plod politike kroz historiju. Zapadna katolička Evropa i Istočna pravoslavna Evropa moraju imati različite mentalitete kroz svoju populaciju. Međutim, to nema veze sa genetikom niti porijeklom.
Hrvat će uzeti vino, a Srbin i Balija će sasuti rakiju ili vodku. To se zna i uvijek se znalo. Ali, kako rekoh prije, to nema veze sa porijeklom stanovništva.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Gencove's results:
https://api.urlbox.io/v1/HHGDoabb0j8...url2png-cheese
Bro, don't you ever talk about that. You score some Siberian and some South Asian yourself, so shut up. I have copied all your results - Eurogenes, Dodecad, Harappa, etc. You are not Western, even less than the Hungarian reference on Eurogenes. In fact your first population is MOLDOVA, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stears
See the GEDmatch results, genius. He's nothing like the Turks. He plots between Serbia and Western Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardS
Я русский и северовосточный европеец, а не "гибрид", так что иди в задницу. Национализм не предполагает 100% "расовую чистоту" до 7-го колена, хотя у меня все известные предки русские и белорусы (тоже русские по сути).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel
Actually not. We say so because here South Slavs are not even considered as Slavic by some members. And Vlatko's results go to show that he is not really "an assimilated Illyrian" or whatever else.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
Who cares what fucktards from this forum thinks, since they even don't know how to define Slavs. If all are assimilated Illyrians, how 60% of Balkan is speaking Slavic languages, from the sky maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
They didn't settle in Russia. In fact Russian princes (knyaz) had to go to the Horde to obtain a license to rule. If we had a signigicant amount of Mongol admixture, the most common haplogroups in Mongolia - C and O wouldn't be present at such a low level - less than 1%. Another funny thing - the most "mongoloid" ethnic Russians are actually in the North which wasn't affected by the Mongols.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Vlatko ignore these idiots calling you Turkish or whatever, your results look perfectly fine.
Just 1 guy said that, no one else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kouros
Don't listen Bosniaks about Russian history, they are pretty uneducated about this area. :) They think that Mongols came in Moscow in every house and rape Russians, becouse they read it from some German site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
My bad, I thought there were people in this thread calling you mongol and shit too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
To me it's clear that the closer to Central Europe, the more Early Slavic ancestry. Bulgaria seems to have the least, but even they are not just "assimilated".Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
People in real life usually don't know shit, they just repeat some myths. Russians are mixed with Mongols, Serbs and Bulgarians are mixed with Turks, the Spanish are mixed with Moors/Arabs, etc. Many even believe Southern Europe is darker than Northern because of race-mixing.
Well, we were told the same by a Communist history teacher. So were my parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
The only thing which could be related from my results with Mongoloids is 1.65% Siberian. West Asian usually is not Mongoloid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kouros
1-2% mongoloid can be commonly found as far as Central Europe, that's nothing special. For example, Stears is over 2% mongoloid, I've seen Slovaks having the same amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Stears is claiming that he is 0% mongoloid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Are you more European? Do you know that Albanians and Bosnians are not classical Europeans? If they are not genetic then the culture and mentality is the heirs of the Ottomans!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
fuck est baltid its not mongoloid! this is an Eastern European Cro-Magnon type! Finno-Ugric types are laзpid, Uralid and other! Some Finno-Ugrians have eastern Baltid but not the base!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Russians Cossacks are East European copy of Turkic horsemen and you Russians are know that, they're based on ancient Turkish riders.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardS
Our mentality is totally opposite of Ottomans. You aren't familiar with Balkan reallity.Quote:
mentality is the heirs of the Ottomans!
Товарищ бульбаш какие бы генны не были у балканских недославян они идейные наследники чурок!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Neither are we 'classical Europeans'. Only the Romance and Germanic peoples are. But wait, I don't even know where you are from.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardS
I agree though that Islam is the product of Turkish occupation.
All My Balkan comrades disagree with you about this! Cossacks are not typical Russians! Deal with it! Incidentally, many Cossacks descended from the Balkans!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
It does not matter! Or are you a zmagar and a Westerner?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Чего? Это разве что к албанцам (вообще не славяне) и боснийцам относится. Сербы и болгары - православные. И терпеть не могут турок.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardS
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Originally Posted by EdwardS
I am not a Belorussian 'nationalist' that thinks Belarus has nothing to do with Russia. That's ridiculous. However, I'm not a full-blooded Belorussian, only half and I view us all as the descendants of Rus.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardS