You might have seen Uzbeks from Tajikistan or Afghanistan. Or families mixed with the Uzbeks. The 'purest' Tajiks are still close to Kurds and Persians.Quote:
Originally Posted by lameduck
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You might have seen Uzbeks from Tajikistan or Afghanistan. Or families mixed with the Uzbeks. The 'purest' Tajiks are still close to Kurds and Persians.Quote:
Originally Posted by lameduck
That's true, in Russia Tajiks (a few million guest workers) are probably the darkest group I've seen (blacks and South Asians are still uncommon in most places). They also show Mongoloid influence which is no surprise (many Uzbeks were recorded as Tajiks in Soviet times and switched to Persian).Quote:
Originally Posted by lameduck
However occasionally light Aryan types do occur. Like this one (I found him once on social media)
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No way. Turkish Kurds are surely more 'mongoloid' than Persians somewhere in Fars.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
Hadouken/Magnetic is a Zaza Kurd from Dersim, Turkey. Are the Zaza people Kurdish to you?
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.06
2 East_Med 30.76
3 West_Med 8.27
4 South_Asian 6.84
5 Red_Sea 6.06
6 North_Atlantic 4.67
7 Baltic 2.74
8 Sub-Saharan 1.29
9 Siberian 1.29
10 East_Asian 1.21
11 Amerindian 0.82
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Azeri 4.05
2 Kurdish 4.87
3 Iranian 6.25
4 Armenian 7.54
5 Turkish 7.58
6 Georgian_Jewish 7.94
7 Assyrian 9.88
8 Iranian_Jewish 12.29
9 Kurdish_Jewish 12.78
10 Kumyk 15.67
11 Lebanese_Muslim 15.98
12 Turkmen 17.02
13 Georgian 17.02
14 Syrian 17.03
15 Adygei 18.28
16 Abhkasian 18.51
17 Balkar 19.44
18 Ossetian 19.85
19 Cyprian 20.27
20 Kabardin 20.71
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.2% Kurdish + 13.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.94
2 85.3% Kurdish + 14.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.02
3 85.6% Kurdish + 14.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.09
4 86.4% Kurdish + 13.6% Italian_Jewish @ 2.13
5 67.9% Azeri + 32.1% Armenian @ 2.19
6 86% Kurdish + 14% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.22
7 89.8% Kurdish + 10.2% Tunisian @ 2.26
8 82.4% Kurdish + 17.6% Cyprian @ 2.3
9 90.2% Kurdish + 9.8% Algerian @ 2.4
10 85.7% Kurdish + 14.3% South_Italian @ 2.42
11 90.5% Kurdish + 9.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.43
12 63.1% Kurdish + 36.9% Turkish @ 2.47
13 86.6% Kurdish + 13.4% Ashkenazi @ 2.48
14 79% Kurdish + 21% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.48
15 70.4% Azeri + 29.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.53
16 80.3% Kurdish + 19.7% Syrian @ 2.58
17 90.8% Kurdish + 9.2% Moroccan @ 2.64
18 86.3% Kurdish + 13.7% East_Sicilian @ 2.64
19 88% Kurdish + 12% West_Sicilian @ 2.66
20 55.7% Iranian + 44.3% Turkish @ 2.75
The only "Tajiks" lacking recent mongolid admixture are either Pamiri or Afghan Tajiks which are both not Tajiks in the strict sense. Pamiri orginally spoke East Iranic languages closer related to Pashto and Ossetian than to Persian or Kurdish and Afghan Tajiks are often just recently persianized Pashtuns especially the ones Living in eastern AfghanistanQuote:
Originally Posted by MS85
Do you know where exactly the Aryan Afghan I posted is from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Dmatch-Results
I think Rukha/Registan listed his background on Anthrogenica but I can't find it.
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 39.98
2 South_Asian 21.16
3 Baltic 13.86
4 North_Atlantic 10.37
5 East_Med 5.67
6 Siberian 3.87
7 Amerindian 1.39
8 Northeast_African 1.07
9 Oceanian 0.81
10 East_Asian 0.72
11 Red_Sea 0.62
12 West_Med 0.48
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 5.65
2 Tadjik 9.12
3 Afghan_Tadjik 13.54
4 Kalash 14.34
5 Tabassaran 16.51
6 Pathan 17.67
7 Burusho 17.73
8 Chechen 18.42
9 Balochi 18.42
10 Lezgin 18.48
11 Makrani 18.56
12 Brahui 19.7
13 Kumyk 20.01
14 Kabardin 20.05
15 Turkmen 20.1
16 Punjabi_Jat 21.06
17 Adygei 21.51
18 Balkar 21.51
19 North_Ossetian 21.71
20 Ossetian 22.06
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73% Brahui + 27% Finnish @ 3.34
2 91.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.5
3 73% Brahui + 27% East_Finnish @ 3.51
4 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Lithuanian @ 3.55
5 91.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.5% Erzya @ 3.56
6 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Estonian @ 3.57
7 91.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.59
8 91.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.59
9 92.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.7% Finnish @ 3.6
10 91.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.6
11 91.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.2% Polish @ 3.61
12 92.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.8% Belorussian @ 3.64
13 92.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.66
14 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% East_Finnish @ 3.67
15 91.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.68
16 91.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.4% South_Polish @ 3.68
17 91.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.4% Ukrainian @ 3.7
18 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.7
19 67.6% Balochi + 32.4% Tatar @ 3.72
20 79.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 20.8% Tabassaran @ 3.76
Northeastern-shifted. He would be probably around 40% Sintashta on G25 if Mingle is ~30% and Rukha is ~35%.
"sample": "Pashtun:Average",
"fit": 1.3092,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 54.17,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 27.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 10.83,
"Mongola": 5,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 2.5
Once again. These results speak for themselves
"sample": "Tajik_Ishkashim:Average",
"fit": 1.8854,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 44.17,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 42.5,
"Mongola": 7.5,
"Simulated_AASI": 5.83,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 0
"sample": "Tajik_Rushan:Average",
"fit": 2.2294,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 54.17,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 36.67,
"Mongola": 4.17,
"Simulated_AASI": 4.17,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 0.83
"sample": "Tajik_Shugnan:Average",
"fit": 1.9018,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 49.17,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 38.33,
"Mongola": 6.67,
"Simulated_AASI": 4.17,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 1.67
"sample": "Tajik_Yagnobi:Average",
"fit": 1.8316,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 45,
"IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 38.33,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 11.67,
"Mongola": 5,
"Simulated_AASI": 0
I think Yaghnobi Tajiks are a good example of early eastern iranians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
His South Asian is rather high for a Badakshani or some less mongolid shifted Tajiks so he is probably a central Pashtun (Wardak, Logar,..) like Rukha. Central Pashtuns tend to be the most steppe shiftedQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yeah, they are Sogdians, I believe. I would like to see more DNA results from Tajikistan, in particular from the Western Persian-speaking part. In the Northwestern and Westernmost parts of the country there is a lot of ethnic Uzbeks though. I guess purer Tajiks should be somewhere between Gharm and KulobQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Snow
https://geology.com/world/tajikistan-map.gif
I believe he is like 1/4 Pashtun but also part Badakhshani.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
What about Heratis? From experience, many of them seem to identify with the persians of Iran. Interestingly, they are also able to speak with an Iranian persian accent too lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
in the strict sense they are just Persians and not Tajiks. Only recently they started to see themselves as Tajiks and historically they were not seen as distinct from Persians in Khorasan. Also they are unlike most Tajiks Shiites and speak a dialect very similar to Persian in Khorasan. The Tajik identity was imposed on them to seperate them from Persians in Iran. Herat was historically a less afghan City than Peshawar or Quetta but because of historical circumtances it is now part of Afghanistan and this pashtun cities are today not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Babak
Ah i see. Makes senseQuote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
What are you talking about? Pashtuns have/score a lot 'Mongoloid' admixture. From Scythians, Hephthalites (White Huns) and from the Mongols. If you mean 'recent' from Uzbeks, Tatar, Kirgiz, Kazakh or Russians than I am not sure about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
And you are right about the Pamir Tajiks, they are most likely Persianized Pamirs and therefore can be considered as 'Tajiks". But I'm sure that like Pashtuns also Pamirs have a lot Mongoloid DNA before the Persian migration into Central Asia.
Except...there was no major persian migration into central asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
When there was some migration of Persians into Central Asia, the popualtion of Tajiks was not that high. Should be not a problem since population in Afgahnistan and Tajikstan is not that bigQuote:
Originally Posted by Babak
historical demographical data of Tajikistan
X 1000
https://i.postimg.cc/bYRm1J0h/tad.jpg
http://www.populstat.info/Asia/tajikisc.htm
Lol mongolid admixture from Russians. Are you stupid or what? There is no russian admixture in Central Asia. Pashtuns have very low mongolid admixture and most can be esplained either with prehistorical admixture from Siberian HGs which Andronovo already picked up before they entered Afghanistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
Tajik is just an umbrealla term for various persian speaking groups in Central Asia which dont identify with a tribal group. They dont have a common history or identity.
Are Tatars not Russians? There many ethnic Russians in Siberia who are mixed with the local people. Are Mongoloid Baltic people in Russia not Russians? Russians are full of the Mongoloid DNA. There is a lot Mongoloid Russian admixture in Central Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
Russians are full of the Mongoloid DNA and they are spreading their Mongoloid DNA with their migrations!
Most Mongoloid DNA in Pashtuns is most lileky fromt he Scythians, Hephthalites (White Huns) and the Mongol invasions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_India
Nevertheless, Tajiks speak Persian and are very, very mixed people. They have got their DNA from practically everybody! So, their DNA can't be representative for the ancient people
Tell this to the Russian general Sergey Shoygu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhat
https://i.postimg.cc/W3XYL0Gs/Sergey-Shoigu.jpg
If you tell Putin or Shoygu that he is not a Russia, he will laugh at your face. Russians like Shoygu spread a lot Mongoloid DNA in Central Asia. It was also part of the USSR policy to send 'ethnic' Russians to other peripheral parts of Russia. Russians mixed with everybody from Europe to Japan.
This is nonsense. Why are you trolling? Shoygu is half Tuvan and most Russians did not mix with Central Asians in Soviet times. Moreover a lot of Russians have left since 1991. My mother was born in Uzbekistan and grew up in Turkmenistan (a military family). They left in the 80s. In Tajikistan Russians were only 1% back in 2010. Attributing Mongoloid admixture in Central Asia (!) to Russian influence (we're only about 5% East Eurasian on average) is beyond ridiculous. First you claim that you rely on facts and evidence and then you spew such utter crap. Please stop this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
Russian can mean Russian citizen (rossiyanin) and ethnic (i.e. Slavic/European) Russian (russky).
Central Asia has been inhabited by Turkic peoples such as Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Turkmens and Kyrgyz for centuries, yet Mongoloid admixture came there with European Russians who are ~5% East Eurasian on average. LOL. I've never heard such a retarded claim before.
https://i.imgur.com/2559Sba.png
The only one who is trolling here is actually YOU!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
It seems that my Soviet education was much better than yours and I was better in Russian history than you! Learn your own history, dude. And don't try to steal history of ancient Aryan people from Kurdistan.
Since the very beginning ethnic Russians started to mix with the Mongoloid/Turkic people in Central Asia. Russians have a very long history with the Mongoloid people.
After Ivan Grozny many Turkic speaking people were assimilated into the Russian ethnicity and became Russians. All those folks Russians assimilated in Kazan, Astrakhan, Sibir, Crimea were all ethnic speaking Mongoloid Turks. During this type of conquests, Russians spread their DNA in Central Asia
https://i.imgur.com/HNakNMT.jpg
What about Mongoloid Kazan, Astrakhan, Sibir and Crimea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Казанский поход, Иван Грозный
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHYlcCmsd5I
More so with the Finno Ugrics.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
Muslims in the Russian Empire did not mix with Orthodox people, it was prohibited as there was no civil marriage back then and they were generally left to themselves. The Tatars are an ethnic group of their own, they still exist and don't view themselves as russky.
Anyway, this is a redundant discussion as every reasonable person can see that the very premise was ludicrous and nonsensical from the start. You brought up Russians only to troll and cause distress.
Slavic Russian mixed a lot with the Mongoloid Turks. That's why they now like each other very much. Putin loves Erdogan. Russian women love Turkic men and love to go to Turkey on holidays and f*ck with he Turks
Russian women marry the Turks by thousands. Intermarriages between Russian females and Turkic men is high:
From Russia With Love, Thousands of Wives for Turkish Husbands: https://www.thedailybeast.com/from-r...rkish-husbands
Turkey is full of Russian women who came to Turkey to marry the Turks. Why? Because the Russians and Turks have the same SOUL!
Being part of a political state does not mean merging or assimilating ethnically. American blacks have been part of the United States since its inception, yet they are still a clearly separate group. Russia is a multiethnic country, not everyone is an ethnic Russian there or a Slav. By the way, Volga Tatars are majority European by DNA too, only about 20% East Eurasian.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
Who cares anyway, most of the so called 'mongoloid' countries are way better off than a shithole like Kurdistan where people can't even stop fighting over religious and territorial differences. They are leaving the region en mass instead of making it a liveable place.
I know Russians very good. Russian don't care about religion. And Turks became Christians! Russians Christianized most Turks in Russia. The Russians are heavily mixed with the Turks in Kazan, Astrakhan, etc. Russians mix with everything and everybody. During the FIFA world cup, Russian ladies married even thousands of niggers from Africa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Some 60,000 Russians are living in the Mediterranean province of Antalya, the majority of whom are women. Some 40,000 Russian women are married to Turkish men, with around 80,000 children.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/rus...th-russia-1115
https://i.postimg.cc/HkMSsrD1/a.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/JhmQrK5j/b.jpg
Lol, I don't need your 'Aryan' or Middle Eastern history, don't worry. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
You started a discussion about the so called Aryans. And Aryans had NOTHING to do with the Mongoloid/Denisovan DNA at all. Ancient Aryans like te Aryan Medes or Mitanni were Caucasoid people, close to the people like Georgians and Kurds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Good for you, Stick to your Turkic history! Tawarish, from now on I'm going to react only to your 'serious' postsQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yes, I was discussing the topic in a civil manner without personal attacks or anyting. And you have repeatedly done so and eventually turned this thread into a mess. You have been reported. Enough of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
Because unlike Putin, I don't like Muslims, Arabs and Turks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Because you are a troll that can't be taken seriously. We were discussing Iranians and you started spewing Russophobic nonsense only because I am Russian and Arhat is too although he is part Afghan and didn't grow up in Russia, so he knows something about that Indo-European stuff because of familial connections.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
Russians were already Finno-Ugric people before they started to assimilate Mongoloid Uralic and Turkic people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slavic Italian
Just look how much Finno-Ugric Y-DNA N1c the Russians have..
No, I'm just countering your arguments with scientific facts and historical events. While you are the one who is spreading nonsense and lies with your empty posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Russians have nothing to do with the Aryans or the ancient Aryan history of Aryan Media & Persia, just live with it...
Russians hardly mixed with any of this groups. Even with Kazan Tatars mixing was not frequent prior to the Soviet period. The religious and cultural differences were much too big. Russians mixed with Ukrainians, Poles and Germans much more. Even Russians in Siberia show more recent Central Euro admixture than recent Siberian admixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
Oh yeah, very scientific. You gotta be kidding or drunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85
I'm fine with my white European physical appearance, unlike you I don't have to explain to people that I'm not an ISIS support xDQuote:
Russians have nothing to do with the Aryans or the ancient Aryan history of Aryan Media & Persia, just live with it...
Lol russian women hate your kind of people. You have better chances in Germany or western Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by MS85