We have cronic lack od samples from central and eastern Croatia. Bulk of population lives there but samples are few to none.
So far BiH Croats, Dalmatians are totally overrepresented. We have few NW Croats at least.
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We have cronic lack od samples from central and eastern Croatia. Bulk of population lives there but samples are few to none.
So far BiH Croats, Dalmatians are totally overrepresented. We have few NW Croats at least.
The Croatia_Cro samples are from all over Croatia i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
I guess. But I don't have single Slavonian sample so far from people tested on other forums. There was one from East Slavonia (Croat) user Leto has, she was quite close to Serbs/Moldovans.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
this might be a little far fetched but looking at your plotting and your k71 results i think you could descend from some Illyrian tribe which migrated to Moldova at one point in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
Silly question probably but since I score significant Iberian+3% Irish/Scottish +3% Italian on MyHeritage does this confirm your theory based on the K71 and other results? Mytrueancestry also scores me as Gaul + Roman or Thuringian + Roman?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
I almost bothered to try and see if I could have a Spanish ancestor but nobody does around here. By the way if you want any other result just ask me don't dig through the whole forum lol.
i would say Iberian is a trace of Celtic ancestry and Italian of Roman Empire.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
added all Cyprian Greeks, they are all down there in their cluster
https://i.imgur.com/lueQ2Qs.png
added all Gagauzes(green hourglasses). They overlap with the more southern plotting Bulgarians, Macedonians, Romanians.
https://i.imgur.com/Pr30FL5.png
added a bunch of stuff (averages are k15 averages like on the original map)
"Central Greeks" aren't islanders as i previously thought, they are from Athens area i guess
https://i.imgur.com/Gkc1bGE.png
https://i.imgur.com/FpKTZa5.png
https://i.imgur.com/yrakAg4.png
https://i.imgur.com/2Y0aBth.png
https://i.imgur.com/qdzZLb1.png
I have one result of myFTDNA Y- 12markers to one of my 8 great-grandparents. Haplogroup J-M172 with mostly Serbs and Croats
their matches are Serbs and Croats?Quote:
Originally Posted by PAGANE
yes, mostly. Besides, some of them are J-M205Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
You could add these two Serbs:
1. Serb from Dalmatia
Atlantic 19.04
Baltic 18.7
North_Sea 17.96
Eastern_Euro 12.11
East_Med 10.61
West_Med 10.37
West_Asian 7.21
Red_Sea 3.52
Siberian 0.43
2. Serb from Lika
Baltic 20.31
North_Sea 18.74
Atlantic 16.43
West_Med 13
East_Med 10.01
Eastern_Euro 9.03
West_Asian 8.35
Red_Sea 2.99
Oceanian 0.58
Southeast_Asian 0.45
Siberian 0.11
than your grandparent is probably J-M205 (j2b1) too. that's a rare haplogroupQuote:
Originally Posted by PAGANE
https://i.imgur.com/gX1iPX9.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Yes, I'm planning test snip panel for J-M205Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
More Bulgarians from Thrace region, Plovdiv province:
1.
North_Sea 10.92 Pct
Atlantic 15.11 Pct
Baltic 17.03 Pct
Eastern_Euro 9.64 Pct
West_Med 17.34 Pct
West_Asian 9.88 Pct
East_Med 17.24 Pct
Red_Sea 0.28 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.33 Pct
Amerindian 0.57 Pct
Oceanian 0.67 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
2.
North_Sea 19.27 Pct
Atlantic 12.91 Pct
Baltic 12.49 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.46 Pct
West_Med 13.25 Pct
West_Asian 7.77 Pct
East_Med 17.13 Pct
Red_Sea 4.08 Pct
South_Asian 0.24 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.02 Pct
Amerindian 1.37 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
3.
North_Sea 13.15 Pct
Atlantic 16.23 Pct
Baltic 15.12 Pct
Eastern_Euro 9.09 Pct
West_Med 13.59 Pct
West_Asian 12.88 Pct
East_Med 15.55 Pct
Red_Sea 3.60 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.15 Pct
Amerindian 0.40 Pct
Oceanian 0.19 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
4.
North_Sea 24.83 Pct
Atlantic 11.95 Pct
Baltic 13.13 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.15 Pct
West_Med 14.48 Pct
West_Asian 8.93 Pct
East_Med 15.24 Pct
Red_Sea 1.50 Pct
South_Asian 0.20 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.19 Pct
Oceanian 0.40 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
5. Rhodope region
North_Sea 15.73 Pct
Atlantic 13.92 Pct
Baltic 13.06 Pct
Eastern_Euro 9.01 Pct
West_Med 13.07 Pct
West_Asian14.93 Pct
East_Med 13.64 Pct
Red_Sea 3.37 Pct
South_Asian 1.49 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.59 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.36 Pct
Oceanian 0.66 Pct
Northeast_African 0.17 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.01 Pct
https://i.imgur.com/WFdxKfP.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by bained
https://i.imgur.com/eJey9Fq.png
Amazing! I will throw in one greek from Patras for the good work:
North_Sea 9.59 Pct
Atlantic 15.91 Pct
Baltic 8.62 Pct
Eastern_Euro 7.37 Pct
West_Med 17.64 Pct
West_Asian 10.12 Pct
East_Med 25.92 Pct
Red_Sea 3.79 Pct
South_Asian 0.54 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.21 Pct
Northeast_African 0.30 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Btw, all the male samples are V-13, including the greek if someone cares.
How common are Bulgarians with Thracian and Greek ancestry in Bulgaria (specifically eastern Bulgaria)?Quote:
Originally Posted by pelikarski
How many SNPs do AncestryDNA use?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Can you add these (coma separated values):
Code:removed
he clusters with thessaly9 and pelop8Quote:
Originally Posted by bained
I think we need more results from Romania's Moldova region (especially the northern parts) to confirm this. He has no Hungarian ancestry so there has to be some explanation for that. My guess is he probably isn't odd for his region, we just need results from his region first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
I'm guessing that means Bosniaks have more Slavic ancestry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
I don't think he is typical. Romanian user from Anthrogenica has many samples from Romanian Moldova and none plots like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Yes, Bosniaks are most Slavic south Slavs. But they plot south of Croats because they have more Balkan ancestry overall. Croats have higher total North European (Slovenians have highest)
More Serbs. I dont know their geographic origin:Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
1 Baltic 18.75
2 North_Sea 17.04
3 East_Med 14.46
4 Atlantic 14.36
5 Eastern_Euro 12.64
6 West_Med 12.21
7 West_Asian 8.25
8 South_Asian 1.64
9 Red_Sea 0.31
10 Siberian 0.31
11 Sub-Saharan 0.04
******
North_Sea 13.09
Atlantic 21.19
Baltic 22.17
Eastern_Euro 13.41
West_Med 10.72
West_Asian 8.98
East_Med 8.28
Red_Sea 1.83
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.16
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.16
*****
North_Sea 16.14%
Atlantic 20.67%
Baltic 16.70%
Eastern_Euro 12.71%
West_Med 11.23%
West_Asian 8.66%
East_Med 7.96%
Red_Sea 4.03%
Southeast_Asian 0.74%
Amerindian 0.62%
Oceanian 0.26%
Northeast_African 0.30%
*******
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 19.69
2 North_Sea 17.72
3 Atlantic 13.82
4 West_Med 12.39
5 Eastern_Euro 11.65
6 East_Med 11.21
7 West_Asian 9.46
8 Red_Sea 1.29
9 Oceanian 1.28
10 Southeast_Asian 0.7
11 South_Asian 0.32
12 Amerindian 0.25
13 Sub-Saharan 0.23
******
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 20.34
2 Atlantic 15.55
3 Baltic 15.22
4 East_Med 13.65
5 West_Med 12.72
6 Eastern_Euro 12.16
7 West_Asian 8.73
8 Red_Sea 1.58
9 Oceanian 0.04
******
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.58
2 Atlantic 18.09
3 Eastern_Euro 16.16
4 North_Sea 15.94
5 East_Med 13.1
6 West_Med 10.7
7 West_Asian 4.26
8 Red_Sea 3.17
******
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 17.84
2 West_Med 16.91
3 Baltic 16.01
4 Atlantic 15.32
5 West_Asian 11.39
6 East_Med 9.77
7 Eastern_Euro 9.37
8 Red_Sea 2.85
9 Oceanian 0.34
10 Amerindian 0.21
Maybe some of these results are already on map-diagram.
There are Serbs from Bosnia Dalmatia who are southern and south eastern Serbs who are northern shifted on this map.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Why not? There are not some drastic difference between regions because of centuries of migrations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
There seems to be prejudice that southeastern Serbs are generally southern shifted and Serbs with Bosnian origin are northern shifted. It seems we need more samples to confirm or deny this finally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Jovan Cvijić, our well-known geographer, whose science temathic was migrations and origins od population:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
"Kao rezultat tih ispitivanja izlazi da je, počevši od kraja XIV veka pa kroz tursko vreme do naših dana, ispremeštano skoro sve stanovništvo na prostoru od Veleške Klisure na Vardaru pa do Zagrebačke Gore. A glavnu masu tih što se kreću i naseljavaju čini dinarsko stanovništvo, čiji su glavni deo stari Rašani, narod srpske srednjevekovne države. Struje koje premeštaju stanovništvo sticale su se više od četiri veka u Srbiju; skoro toliko isto vremena u Dalmaciju; prelazile su Dunav, Savu, Unu, Kupu, čak i Dravu i naseljavale su Banat, Bačku, Baranju, Srem i Slavoniju, Hrvatsku, Štajersku, Kranjsku; prešle su na mnoga ostrva ili otoke Jadranskoga Mora, u Istru, u okolinu Trsta, čak neke slabe struje u Goricu. Prelazile su u Italiju, poglavito u mletačku oblast i u Abruce; zatim u Erdelj i južnu Rusiju.
Usled tih seoba je znatno izmenjen raspored naroda na Balkanskom Poluostrvu. U mnogim oblastima je jedno stanovništvo smenjeno drugim, drukčijih osobina, negde drugog jezika, a često drukčijeg dijalekta. Nastala su ukrštanja stanovništva, koje se usled migracija izmešalo, i izvršili su se raznovrsni etnički i etno-biološki procesi, koji su u mnogome izmenili etnički tip pojedinih oblasti: često je nestalo starog pokrajinskog ili istorijskog srednjevekovnog narodnog tipa i obrazovao se nov etnički amalgam."
i still wonder who are those Serbs from *****'s map. these east Serbs i plotted are nothing like themQuote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
It is my result, my first nickname was Jelic. And i'm not R1a-YP4278, that is my maternal grandfather's Y-DNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
From this PCA plot it can be seen what was like the pre-Slavic population in different Balkan areas before Slavic migration in the 6th century:
https://i.imgur.com/eTK97lF.png
Where is result of those east Serbs you plotted?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
ok, they are more mixed, east, central,southeastQuote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
i checked the coordinates again they are correct
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Bela palanka+sumadija
North_Sea 15.55 Pct
Atlantic 18.94 Pct
Baltic 20.28 Pct
Eastern_Euro 14.93 Pct
West_Med 10.08 Pct
West_Asian 8.22 Pct
East_Med 10.32 Pct
Red_Sea 0.50 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.67 Pct
Amerindian 0.28 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.21 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Bela palanka
1 North_Sea 22.24
3 Atlantic 12.74
2 Baltic 22.14
4 Eastern_Euro 11.38
6 West_Med 11.07
7 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 11.08
Zajecar and Leskovac
2 North_Sea 18.87
3 Atlantic 15.08
1 Baltic 21.8
5 Eastern_Euro 10.79
4 West_Med 11.61
7 West_Asian 9.84
6 East_Med 10.7
8 Red_Sea 1.31
Still not much south shifted as far as I can see. Are they on map?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
not south shifted at all. the first guy gets Croatia on the first place in k15 oracle
Since I have it, I wonder from where comes small African admixture in some of Serbian results?
I've seen that in one Montenegrin result too, not in many Serbian results actually.
I didn't notice that as frequent in Albanian results as well (maybe I'm wrong).
Somehow I have impression it is related with Montenegro.