White Serb/Sorb gedmatch result!

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

He was not average Krajina Serb, he came from highest local class. In rural regions priests were often only educated people.

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Tesla's mother is from family Mandić, also tradition al educated family.
Lika Serb families Budisavljević and Medaković as well gave many intelectuals and military officiers.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Officially my ancestors were not in Austrian military frontier. But they have same role in Venetian service against Ottomans as Lika, Banija and Kordun Serbs (aka Krajina Serbs) in Austrian service against Ottomans.
Dalmatian Serbs had more famous individual heroes in fight against the Ottomans than Krajina Serbs, such as Janko Mitrović, Stojan Janković, Zaviša Janković, Vuk Mandušić, Jovan Sinobad, Mitar Sinobad, Filip Pavasović, Plavša Kresović, Stojan Cvitkovac, Pavle Đurić, Cvijan Šarić and many others.

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where did these dalmatian serbs most often migrate to?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Idiot, it has nothing to do with ethnicity and interior of Dalmatia which was most illiterate part of the region had big Serbian population too.
I just said Krajina was backward and primitive region and there was few positives about it.

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So Dalmatian islands are part of Krajina as well then ? :picard2:

because their literacy is just the same

Peak of knowledge of Feiichy's ancestors was Quran. :rotfl::rotfl:

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Originally Posted by Voight

So Dalmatian islands are part of Krajina as well then ? :picard2:

because their literacy is just the same

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Buhahaha, don't lie Serv.
https://i.redd.it/zdt5xc7glq001.jpg

Islands like Hvar were absolute peak of culture in Croatia, do you even know how many reineissance and baroque artists they gave?
Famous example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanibal_Luci%C4%87

In comparison with Hvar, Korčula, Trogir or Dubrovnik most Panonnia is a muddy shithole devoid of high culture and ancient history.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Peak of knowledge of Feiichy's ancestors was Quran. :rotfl::rotfl:

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To read Quran you needed knowledge of Arabic, but maybe you didn't know that xD

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

To read Quran you needed knowledge of Arabic, but maybe you didn't know that xD

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Especially learning Quranic Arabic that is nothing like MSA(modern standard Arabic) and it's colloquial Arabic dialects.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

To read Quran you needed knowledge of Arabic, but maybe you didn't know that xD

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You just need to know the script to read it. It will sound like gibberish and you won't be able to understand it of course, but you would still be able to read it. The majority of non-Arab Muslims today read the Qur'an but don't understand the text they're reading. It would be like if you started reading the Bible in Latin (due to knowledge of the script) but not being able to understand what you read. I'm not even sure if Arab Muslims can understand the Quran since it was written in Arabic from a different time period. Islamic prayers are also in Arabic and they are memorized by heart by non-Arabic speaking Muslims. Knowledge of Islam comes from your parents/community usually.

Bosniaks used to have the Arabic script so they probably could read it, but I don't know any details about that. They could've also translated it into their language (although reading the Qur'an in a language other than Arabic is rare AFAIK).

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

He passed through Dubrovnik. Some Croatian kings were granted control of Byzantine Dalmatian possesions, including Dubrovnik, by the Byzantine emperor.

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I think we don't know where he passed. Based on other sources too it indicates the land in question is modern Montenegro. Whatever the case is it seems that Greeks didn't really differentiated Croats from Serbs and vice versa.

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that's a different "debunking" than the one Feiichy posted, whom should i believe?

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Don't really give a shit what she wrote. Fact is that the thing Serbs like to quote is a supplement. Fact is that in the main charter Ninoslav addresses his people as Bošnjani or something like that. Fact is that he promises to Dubrovnik protection from the Raška Republic (or Serbia proper at the time). All this is not a smoking gun just as that supplement is not a smoking gun for Serbian claims. Balkan history will always remain clouded.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Lol no, they converted because of hate towards Catholics who massacred their Bogomil kind in Bosnia. That's why they enjoyed in war against Hungarians especially.

I descend from elite class of Bosnia who treated local peasants as subhumans.

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Nice copes.

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Originally Posted by Insuperable

I think we don't know where he passed. Based on other sources too it indicates the land in question is modern Montenegro. Whatever the case is it seems that Greeks didn't really differentiated Croats from Serbs and vice versa.



Don't really give a shit what she wrote. Fact is that the thing Serbs like to quote is a supplement. Fact is that in the main charter Ninoslav addresses his people as Bošnjani or something like that. Fact is that he promises to Dubrovnik protection from the Raška Republic (or Serbia proper at the time). All this is not a smoking gun just as that supplement is not a smoking gun for Serbian claims. Balkan history will always remain clouded.

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What is your opinion on ph2ter's post regarding multiple sources (Einhard, DAI, Kinnamos) connecting Bosnia (east of the Vrbas & north of the Neretva) to Serbia or Serbs? It seems to be the strongest argument in favor of them being most likely Serbs:

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Originally Posted by ph2ter

I must admit that before 13th century Bosnia east of Vrbas and north of Neretva rivers was always in some way part of Serbia or under control of Serbia.
Every known historical document testifies this, not only Matej Ninoslav charters.
Einhard from 9th century, DAI from 10th century and Kinnamos from 12th century connect Bosnia with Serbia or Serbs.
When Medieval Bosnia included the lands west of Vrbas (Donji Kraji - Hrvoje Hrvatinić lands), it could no longer use Serbian name in political documents,
because Hrvatinić noble family was of Croatian origin and was very important in Bosnia.
After that, from 14th century Bosnian Medieval political elite started to use Bosniak identification exclusively.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

What is your opinion on ph2ter's post regarding multiple sources (Einhard, DAI, Kinnamos) connecting Bosnia (east of the Vrbas & north of the Neretva) to Serbia or Serbs? It seems to be the strongest argument in favor of them being most likely Serbs:

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Where is mentioned border on Vrbas? Do you have any historical document?
Original Bosnia in darkest pink
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ion-en.svg.png

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Where is mentioned border on Vrbas? Do you have any historical document?
Original Bosnia in darkest pink
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ion-en.svg.png

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I didn't make the claim the Vrbas River was the border between Serbs and Croats. But I searched for references regarding the Vrbas River being a borderland and I came across a text claiming Constantine/DAI considering territory controlled by Croat people to end at the upper Vrbas River and bordering on Bosnia:

https://i.imgur.com/ptm4uFS.png

When searching for one of the sources that ph2ter mentioned (Kinnamos), I came across this text as well:

https://i.imgur.com/SU1LBrc.png

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

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Can modern Sorbs be used as a proxy for the Slavic admixture of Serbs?

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

Can modern Sorbs be used as a proxy for the Slavic admixture of Serbs?

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that Sorb in G25 fits well , yes. but he fits as a proto-Slavic proxy in general, not just for Serbs.

The remnant of the Sorbs is still there near the border of Germany, Poland and the Czech Republic. That was the westernmost that the West Slavs ever got.

Limes Sorabicus (9th-11th century) was a borderland between the Frankish Empire and the Slavic tribes. It ran way to the west of the current remnants of the Lusatian Serbs, deep into today's German lands. The Chronicle of Fredegar mentions Sorbs pretty much where they live now, which was on the border of Frankland back then.

Over time, the Germans pushed east and assimilated much land, notably that of the Sorbs, Veleti, Obodrites, Sliesians, and Pomeranians. Now the Sorbs make up less than ten percent of the population even in the Sorbian regions of Brandenburg and Saxony.

Did Rothaer see this thead in which a German from Thuringia got labelled as a Sorb ??? ;)

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Originally Posted by Piotraschke

Did Rothaer see this thead in which a German from Thuringia got labelled as a Sorb ??? ;)

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Yes, very factual. It’s Wolfgang Thieme, with whom I do correspond. I better don’t tell him how he is edited by „experts“ here.

Maybe you could have won the war already in 1939 if you had declared every second Wehrmacht soldier being a non-German and triggered the various groups to fight each other instead. MyHeritage already found out for Lothar Matthäus (in an advertisement spot) that he has a lot of „England“ and they asked if he maybe in fact played for the wrong team.

White Sorb sounds good

https://londoneats.files.wordpress.c...mon_sorbet.jpg