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The reason is because they were chased not only by muslims but earlier also by Christians. And even more earlier by Zoroastrians who literally declared Mithra as a Daeva (evil Gods) and people who worshipped him as Daeva worshippers (evil worshippers, sounds familiar doesn't it?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Eline
They even replaced old angel names by modern Abrahamic names. Using the word Mithra might have brought you into a lot of trouble.
There are a lot tunnels and secrets in Lalish. The Yezidism is a closed religion and it is very mysterious to non-Yezidis. Yezidis don't like to share their secrets with the outside word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
Yeah they are many similarities and it is possible that the 'new' religion of the Parthians influenced the Yezidis, like later reforms of Shekh Adi.
But the Parthians took their 'Sun'-worshiping from the much more ancient Mesopotamians/Yezidis.
So, it is possible that the ancient Yezidis first influenced the Parthians and made them believe in a Sun God, but later those Parthians influenced the Yezidis.
Also take in mind as I wrote Mithra became literally the personification of the sun so Mithra and Sun were interchangable names.
Xode Shams would literally mean "God of Sun or Sun God". Xode Mithra would make no sense. Since it would mean "Mithra God or God of Mithra". it makes no sense to name your God after you have already called him god.
Most Yezidis literally know little to nothing about their religion pre Sheikh Adi's reforms. I have seen Yezidis who literally believe Sheikh Adi started their religion. So what secrets could they tell "foreigners".Quote:
Originally Posted by Eline
Sorry if I sound rude. But I rather believe a person who has made his Prof and Dr. titles in Iranistics while studying decades long about Iranic culture and language, Yazdanism. Than some Yazidi elders who believe Sheikh Adi brought them their religion.
It's like asking my father about human race who things before Abrahamic religion Humans didn't exist or lived in caves. Old People, especially those who have been forced to accept a "reality" that isn't true, are not very knowledged.
A Gujarati woman, her Jewish husband and their mixed race daughter
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# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 51.31
2 Gedrosia 37.48
3 Caucasus 4.75
4 North_European 3.24
5 Atlantic_Med 1.41
6 Siberian 1.38
7 Sub_Saharan 0.44
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) 3.54
2 Indian (Dodecad) 3.88
3 GIH30 (Dodecad) 4.96
4 Iyer (Dodecad) 5.05
5 Iyengar (Dodecad) 5.13
6 INS30 (SGVP) 5.96
7 Kshatriya (Metspalu) 6.94
8 Dharkars (Metspalu) 7.27
9 Tharus (Metspalu) 7.51
10 Muslim (Metspalu) 8.37
11 Velamas (Metspalu) 8.47
12 Kanjars (Metspalu) 8.68
13 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 9.93
14 Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) 11.81
15 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 11.85
16 Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) 12.79
17 Kurumba (Metspalu) 13.68
18 Dusadh (Metspalu) 14.18
19 Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) 16.57
20 Kol (Metspalu) 17.4
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.5% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 6.5% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.92
2 93.5% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 6.5% Turks (Behar) @ 1.97
3 68.6% Kurumba (Metspalu) + 31.4% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.06
4 94% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.12
5 94% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.14
6 94.3% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 5.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.14
7 94% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.15
8 94.2% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 5.8% Armenians (Behar) @ 2.15
9 94.1% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 5.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.17
10 93.6% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 6.4% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 2.17
11 94.1% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 5.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.17
12 93.6% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 6.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.19
13 94% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.2
14 94.2% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 5.8% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 2.22
15 94.1% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 5.9% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.22
16 94.1% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 5.9% Adygei (HGDP) @ 2.24
17 94.2% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 5.8% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.25
18 94.1% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 5.9% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 2.26
19 83.2% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) + 16.8% Kurumba (Metspalu) @ 2.27
20 94.2% GIH30 (Dodecad) + 5.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.27
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 33.14
2 Atlantic_Med 24.23
3 Southwest_Asian 16.62
4 North_European 11.74
5 Northwest_African 5.52
6 Gedrosia 4.5
7 East_African 1.43
8 East_Asian 1.38
9 South_Asian 1.15
10 Sub_Saharan 0.31
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 6.31
2 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 7.02
3 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 7.44
4 Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.97
5 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.99
6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 8.53
7 Greek (Dodecad) 12.34
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 13.91
9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.47
10 Cypriots (Behar) 16.74
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.81
12 Lebanese (Behar) 17.96
13 TSI30 (Metspalu) 18.73
14 Turkish (Dodecad) 19.8
15 Syrians (Behar) 20.18
16 Jordanians (Behar) 20.77
17 Turks (Behar) 21.91
18 Palestinian (HGDP) 21.98
19 Druze (HGDP) 22.18
20 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 23.97
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 9% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.22
2 90.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 9.2% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.24
3 89.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 10.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.4
4 61.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 38.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 3.49
5 91% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 9% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 3.49
6 90.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 9.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.5
7 89.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 10.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 3.56
8 89.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 10.5% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.59
9 89.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 10.3% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.62
10 89.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 10.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 3.62
11 89.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 10.9% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.63
12 88.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 11.3% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.64
13 75.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 24.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 3.76
14 60.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.6% Jordanians (Behar) @ 3.78
15 82% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 18% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.84
16 76.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 23.2% Romanians (Behar) @ 3.88
17 87% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 13% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.88
18 88.1% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 11.9% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.9
19 57.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.5% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 3.97
20 81.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 18.1% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 3.98
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 24.84
2 Gedrosia 19.72
3 Caucasus 17.53
4 Atlantic_Med 14.07
5 North_European 9.62
6 Southwest_Asian 9.46
7 Siberian 2.63
8 Sub_Saharan 0.74
9 Northwest_African 0.73
10 East_African 0.66
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 17.66
2 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 25.86
3 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 26.8
4 Pathan (HGDP) 27.13
5 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 28.28
6 Burusho (HGDP) 29.2
7 Iranians (Behar) 29.77
8 Jatt (Dodecad) 30.13
9 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 30.93
10 Iranian (Dodecad) 31.14
11 Kurd (Dodecad) 32.91
12 Sindhi (HGDP) 33.89
13 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 33.92
14 Kshatriya (Metspalu) 34.06
15 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) 34.7
16 Turks (Behar) 34.77
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 34.88
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 35
19 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 35.09
20 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 35.35
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 48.6% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 4.08
2 52% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 48% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 4.3
3 50.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 49.5% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 4.31
4 56.8% Cochin_Jews (Behar) + 43.2% Greek (Dodecad) @ 4.43
5 51.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 48.5% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 4.47
6 51.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 48.2% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 4.52
7 51.3% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 48.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 4.52
8 50.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.1% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 4.62
9 50.9% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) + 49.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 4.65
10 53.5% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 46.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 4.77
11 51% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 49% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 4.82
12 50.1% Indian (Dodecad) + 49.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 4.85
13 50.8% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 49.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 4.86
14 51% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 49% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 5.01
15 51.3% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 48.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.05
16 53.2% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 46.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.06
17 50.5% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) + 49.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 5.09
18 73.4% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) + 26.6% French (HGDP) @ 5.1
19 53.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 46.5% INS30 (SGVP) @ 5.11
20 50.3% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) + 49.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.17
Yezidis actually don't use the word Mitha, but Shems. Also, the Yezidism is much more related to the Mitanni, than to the much later Parthians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
@Eline, leave this thread you banned sock puppet. Or we'll have to report you again. Actually you should have been banned long ago.
In this Video Kreyenbroek perfectly explains the Mythos of Mithra and the parallels to Yezidi myths. it's German though
-Some notes. Mithra is born from Stone and that Stone is from a cave = reason why Mithra and Yezidi Shrines are underground Cave like.
-In the cave he kills a bull and the sun rises
-Mithra is the lord of the Sun, Fire , Water and Energie = you find a water source, Fire in every corner and the sun symbol throughout Lalish and especially in the Shrine.
Mithra is often depicted with a Snake around him = Snake on the doors of Lalish. It represents the cosmos and Mithra as the center of it (sun).
at 41:51 you see a Mithra shrine with a Mithra statue positioned almost at the end and than you see the Lalish shrine/cave which has a place at the end and it seems like a statue was positioned there previously but ruined by Christians.
He gives much much more connections for me to list them here. If anyone knows how to speak German he should watch it.
He also points out that the West Iranics had a archaic religion based around Sun worshipping with elements from Mesopotamia. This archaic religion included allot of deities, such as Mithra as possible the highest deity, Verethragna, Ahuramazda and even more. And than Zoroastrianism evolved with Ahura Mazda literally taking the position of the highest deity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wn623TlM98
Did you read what I wrote? Mithra was also one of the highest deities of the Mitanni did you know that? Kreyenbroek points all this out. That on the Western part of the Iranian Plateau all the way into Anatolia and the Levant there was a older Indo_iranic religion that was literally replaced by Zoroastrianism in allot of places.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eline
The last similarity I will point out here.
In Mithraism there are seven grades of Initiation
https://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Relig...sm/m_m/pt8.htm
The Parthians were ruled by their seven great houses. It was always exactly seven tribes that "created"/ruled because it has an important religious meaning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_...Houses_of_Iran
The Yarsan have the seven bodies of creation. Also the point with the pearl must sound very familiar to Yezidis
And as a Yezidi someone should know the importance of the number sevenQuote:
Belief in a divinity called Ya, the Divine Essence, creator of the world. In the beginning, the world was covered with water. At the bottom of this water was a pearl, at the heart of which was the Divine Essence in a state of “pre-eternity”. It first gave rise to its seven companions, the haftan (seven bodies).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidism#Seven_AngelsQuote:
Seven Angels
The seven Angels are the emanations of God, which are said to have been created by God from his own light (Nûr). In this context they have, so to speak, a part of God in themselves. Another word that is used for this is Sur or Sirr (literally: mystery), which denotes a divine essence that the Angels were created from.[21] This pure divine essence called Sur or Sirr has its own personality and will and is also called Sura Xudê (the Sur of God).[22] This term refers to the essence of the Divine itself, that is, God. The Angels share this "essence" from their creator who is God. The seven Angels are sometimes referred to as the "Seven Mysteries".
Creation myth
According to the Yazidi cosmogony, God created the world from a pearl (Dur), that was previously in a stage before the creation named Enzel (the eternity before creation).[25][26]
As I wrote in my previous posts Zoroastrianism actually adopted allot and the seven divine entities was one of them.