Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

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#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	33.52
2	North_Atlantic	21.99
3	West_Med	14.77
4	East_Med	11.99
5	West_Asian	11.31
6	Red_Sea	2.49
7	Siberian	2.23
8	East_Asian	1.04
9	South_Asian	0.5
10	Oceanian	0.16

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Moldavian	3.47
2	Croatian	6.74
3	Serbian	8.11
4	Romanian	10.13
5	Hungarian	10.31
6	Bulgarian	11.46
7	Ukrainian_Lviv	11.48
8	Ukrainian	12.88
9	South_Polish	13.11
10	Austrian	14.62
11	East_German	15.15
12	Southwest_Russian	15.41
13	Ukrainian_Belgorod	15.47
14	Polish	16.26
15	Russian_Smolensk	17.57
16	Tatar	18.03
17	Estonian_Polish	18.21
18	Belorussian	18.98
19	Kargopol_Russian	19
20	Erzya	19.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		95.1%	Moldavian	+	4.9%	Georgian_Jewish	@	2.57
2		95.2%	Moldavian	+	4.8%	Assyrian	@	2.63
3		95.5%	Moldavian	+	4.5%	Kurdish_Jewish	@	2.65
4		78.5%	Ukrainian_Lviv	+	21.5%	Cyprian	@	2.65
5		63.8%	Bulgarian	+	36.2%	Erzya	@	2.67
6		95.5%	Moldavian	+	4.5%	Iranian_Jewish	@	2.68
7		95.4%	Moldavian	+	4.6%	Armenian	@	2.7
8		94.4%	Moldavian	+	5.6%	Turkish	@	2.71
9		95.6%	Moldavian	+	4.4%	Lebanese_Christian	@	2.71
10		94.9%	Moldavian	+	5.1%	Azeri	@	2.73
11		95.9%	Moldavian	+	4.1%	Abhkasian	@	2.73
12		66.8%	Romanian	+	33.2%	Erzya	@	2.74
13		95.4%	Moldavian	+	4.6%	Iranian	@	2.74
14		95.4%	Moldavian	+	4.6%	Kurdish	@	2.75
15		94.4%	Moldavian	+	5.6%	Kumyk	@	2.75
16		95.7%	Moldavian	+	4.3%	Samaritan	@	2.75
17		94.6%	Moldavian	+	5.4%	Kabardin	@	2.76
18		95.7%	Moldavian	+	4.3%	Georgian	@	2.76
19		94.9%	Moldavian	+	5.1%	Adygei	@	2.76
20		94.9%	Moldavian	+	5.1%	Balkar	@	2.77

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Originally Posted by Mik20

Tara/teara Rumaneasca was informal as well, the official name was Ungrovlahia. There was no such thing as Tara Romaneasca. You can prove me wrong of course. A country must have countless documents with it's name.

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Wallachia had several official names, all used at the same time, including Țeara Rumânească, Vlachia, Vallahia, Ungrovlahia, Transalpina. The official name in Romanian has always been Țara Rumânească, but it needs to be said that the replacement of OCS with Romanian in administration was a slow process, accelerated only by the arrival of the printing press, which allowed Romanian translation and printing of the Bible, and with it education in Romanian.

But it's clear that Țara Rumânească has been in use for a long time, since the very first document in written in Romanian (an official document btw) names Wallachia as Țeara Rumânească. Oldest Wallachian chronicles written in Romanian also use the term Țeara Rumânească.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

This one comes with an essay.

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Where in Moldova are they from? I assume you also have a photo and know the haplogroups.

Please post their Dodecad K12b components, I personally use that one a lot.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Where in Moldova are they from? I assume you also have a photo and know the haplogroups.

Please post their Dodecad K12b components, I personally use that one a lot.

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The article explains that they are from Northern Bukovina, which is now Ukraine, Bukovina. It was historically part of northern Moldova but it was absorbed by the Austro-Hungarian empire. The area was inhabited by mostly Ukrainians and Romanians, but I've seen some ethnic maps from the late 19th century and the delimitation in terms of majority was visible, although they did mix. Poles were also present but not that much.

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Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

The article explains that they are from Northern Bukovina, which is now Ukraine, Bukovina. It was historically part of northern Moldova but it was absorbed by the Austro-Hungarian empire. The area was inhabited by mostly Ukrainians and Romanians, but I've seen some ethnic maps from the late 19th century and the delimitation in terms of majority was visible, although they did mix. Poles were also present but not that much.

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Makes sense given the relatively high Baltic score (33%). Also the mongoloid input is notable (2.23 + 1.04%).

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Originally Posted by Leto

Where in Moldova are they from? I assume you also have a photo and know the haplogroups.

Please post their Dodecad K12b components, I personally use that one a lot.

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The photo is at the end of the article. It's the author
I'll post those later.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

The photo is at the end of the article. It's the author
I'll post those later.

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This one, I guess
https://www.scena9.ro/assets/images/...278/cutas.jpeg

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

This one comes with an essay.

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	33.52
2	North_Atlantic	21.99
3	West_Med	14.77
4	East_Med	11.99
5	West_Asian	11.31
6	Red_Sea	2.49
7	Siberian	2.23
8	East_Asian	1.04
9	South_Asian	0.5
10	Oceanian	0.16

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Moldavian	3.47
2	Croatian	6.74
3	Serbian	8.11
4	Romanian	10.13
5	Hungarian	10.31
6	Bulgarian	11.46
7	Ukrainian_Lviv	11.48
8	Ukrainian	12.88
9	South_Polish	13.11
10	Austrian	14.62
11	East_German	15.15
12	Southwest_Russian	15.41
13	Ukrainian_Belgorod	15.47
14	Polish	16.26
15	Russian_Smolensk	17.57
16	Tatar	18.03
17	Estonian_Polish	18.21
18	Belorussian	18.98
19	Kargopol_Russian	19
20	Erzya	19.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		95.1%	Moldavian	+	4.9%	Georgian_Jewish	@	2.57
2		95.2%	Moldavian	+	4.8%	Assyrian	@	2.63
3		95.5%	Moldavian	+	4.5%	Kurdish_Jewish	@	2.65
4		78.5%	Ukrainian_Lviv	+	21.5%	Cyprian	@	2.65
5		63.8%	Bulgarian	+	36.2%	Erzya	@	2.67
6		95.5%	Moldavian	+	4.5%	Iranian_Jewish	@	2.68
7		95.4%	Moldavian	+	4.6%	Armenian	@	2.7
8		94.4%	Moldavian	+	5.6%	Turkish	@	2.71
9		95.6%	Moldavian	+	4.4%	Lebanese_Christian	@	2.71
10		94.9%	Moldavian	+	5.1%	Azeri	@	2.73
11		95.9%	Moldavian	+	4.1%	Abhkasian	@	2.73
12		66.8%	Romanian	+	33.2%	Erzya	@	2.74
13		95.4%	Moldavian	+	4.6%	Iranian	@	2.74
14		95.4%	Moldavian	+	4.6%	Kurdish	@	2.75
15		94.4%	Moldavian	+	5.6%	Kumyk	@	2.75
16		95.7%	Moldavian	+	4.3%	Samaritan	@	2.75
17		94.6%	Moldavian	+	5.4%	Kabardin	@	2.76
18		95.7%	Moldavian	+	4.3%	Georgian	@	2.76
19		94.9%	Moldavian	+	5.1%	Adygei	@	2.76
20		94.9%	Moldavian	+	5.1%	Balkar	@	2.77

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Give me her kit number.

Greetings I'm interested in the Romanian_Botosani. It is based on how many samples? What can you tell about it, I see many samples from ex-Yugoslavia are close to it, is it because is more Slavic shifted than other Romanian samples?

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

Wallachia had several official names, all used at the same time, including Țeara Rumânească, Vlachia, Vallahia, Ungrovlahia, Transalpina. The official name in Romanian has always been Țara Rumânească, but it needs to be said that the replacement of OCS with Romanian in administration was a slow process, accelerated only by the arrival of the printing press, which allowed Romanian translation and printing of the Bible, and with it education in Romanian.

But it's clear that Țara Rumânească has been in use for a long time, since the very first document in written in Romanian (an official document btw) names Wallachia as Țeara Rumânească. Oldest Wallachian chronicles written in Romanian also use the term Țeara Rumânească.

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So no Tara Romaneasca as you insisted, but Tara Rumaneasca. There is a massive difference between ruman and the roman. Roman being a fabricated ethnonym that entered popular use in the second half of the 19 century. You would be shocked travelling in time and realizing what being ruman meant. Calling yourself ruman meant asking to be whipped and put to work in the fields.
Yeah, they had no idea how to call their country. It was Tara Rumaneasca or Tara Munteneasca - Muntenia or Tara Basarabeasca - Basarabia or Ungrovlahia or Valahia or Transalpina and several other names. Moldova on the other hand was Moldova and still is despite the efforts of Romanians to erase its name.