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03-10-2021, 06:05 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

He is 1/2 Hungarian from Southeast Hungary and 1/2 Székely-Hungarian from Romania. I also remember 23andme showed he's 5% Ashkenazi or so.

Thanks.
Many Serbs could be "hungarized" in the last few centuries in the SE Hungary? I guess it is the case for him.
03-10-2021, 06:12 PM
Leto

Is vbnetkhio still around? I asked him for something (related to Gedmatch) a few days ago and now I see he hasn't logged in since then.
03-10-2021, 06:16 PM
Peterski

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Thanks.
Many Serbs could be "hungarized" in the last few centuries in the SE Hungary? I guess it is the case for him.

By the way, after I added those Lemkos, my cousin is now scoring a high % of Podkarpackie Lemkos.

Not sure if this is relevant but when she was in Zakopane, Gorals told her she looks like one of them.
03-10-2021, 06:27 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

And Chris is still Hungarian in name only!.. xD

Distance to: Chris(Hungarian)
3.53788072 Serb
3.89263407 Moldavian_Center
4.40663137 Montenegrin
5.62415327 Romanian
5.90758834 Macedonian
5.98466373 Moldavian_North
6.30179340 Bosnian
6.90741630 Bulgarian_West
6.98818288 Moldavian_South
7.12516666 Croat

Target: Chris(Hungarian)
Distance: 2.4851% / 2.48510023 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.0 Serb
26.6 Croat
4.8 Georgian_Mingrelian
1.6 Japanese

And check out two closest populations for Stears on K13 :o

Distance to: Stears

4.13745091 Csángó-Ceangău
4.91866852 Hungarian_Alföld
5.02263875 Croat
5.04164656 Hungarian
5.11376574 Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
5.23906480 Székely
5.38356759 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.41378795 Croat_West
5.43240278 Croat_East
5.76661079 Croat_South
5.98474728 Croat_North
6.18610540 Bosniak
6.29182009 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.34904717 Moldova_North
6.65686112 Moldova_Centre
6.83100285 Hungarian_Northern
6.93621655 Serb_north
7.03108100 Slovenian
7.08213245 Moldova_average
7.96936635 Serb
8.10604096 Serb_central
8.23001215 Ukrainian_Carpathian
8.44873363 Romania_Maramures
8.62079463 Slovak
9.54300791 Romania_Crisana
03-10-2021, 06:30 PM
Jana

Stears is closer to Bosniaks, Modovans and Serbs than plus to some Romanian groups to Czechs or Austrians....proof that phenotype =/= genotype.
03-10-2021, 06:46 PM
JohnnyP

Code:

Target: Johnnyp Distance: 1.7336% / 1.73356834 | ADC: 0.25x RC 58.9 Vlach(Aromanian)_average 21.9 Slovak 11.9 Swiss_Italian 7.3 Moroccan Distance to: Johnnyp 4.39039862 Macedonian_North 4.98397432 Macedonian 4.98668226 Macedonian_South 6.30527557 Vlach(Aromanian)_average 7.65411001 Albanian_Gheg
03-10-2021, 06:49 PM
Scandal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Thanks.
Many Serbs could be "hungarized" in the last few centuries in the SE Hungary? I guess it is the case for him.

I have yet to see another hungarian result as Serb/southern as him. His result is unusual. SE Hungary where he is from never had much Serbs to my knowledge except some towns on the border but he wasn't from such town. Stearsolina recently posted a hungarian result from region of Chris and he was very avarage Hungarian or more NW shifted than avarage hungarian even. Ethnic Hungarians who live in Vojvodina next to Serbs are quite similar to avarage Hungarian results and are not much close to Serbs from what I've seen.

Then again on MyHeritage he had many ethnic Serb matches. On 23andme he got a lot of regions in Romania, including regions that don't have any ethnic Hungarians. So his Székely side may be mixed with Romanians. He also said he may have some Armenian ancestry on his Székely line, but 23andme didn't show any Armenian for him (but it showed 3.8% Askhenazi)
03-10-2021, 06:55 PM
Scandal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Stears is closer to Bosniaks, Modovans and Serbs than plus to some Romanian groups to Czechs or Austrians....proof that phenotype =/= genotype.

I think he got his northern look from his mother because from what I remember his Székely father didn't look northern at all. However I see what you mean, my father looks very different than her sister (different as in looking ethnically different) but since they're siblings they should score very similar.
03-10-2021, 07:04 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

I have yet to see another hungarian result as Serb/southern as him. His result is unusual. SE Hungary where he is from never had much Serbs to my knowledge except some towns on the border but he wasn't from such town. Stearsolina recently posted a hungarian result from region of Chris and he was very avarage Hungarian or more NW shifted than avarage hungarian even. Ethnic Hungarians who live in Vojvodina next to Serbs are quite similar to avarage Hungarian results and are not much close to Serbs from what I've seen.

Then again on MyHeritage he had many ethnic Serb matches. On 23andme he got a lot of regions in Romania, including regions that don't have any ethnic Hungarians. So his Székely side may be mixed with Romanians. He also said he may have some Armenian ancestry on his Székely line, but 23andme didn't show any Armenian for him (but it showed 3.8% Askhenazi)

I agree. His result is atypical for Alfold, but he's only half Alfoldi and half Hungarian from Romania with some Jewish so his result makes sense.
03-10-2021, 07:05 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

I think he got his northern look from his mother because from what I remember his Székely father didn't look northern at all. However I see what you mean, my father looks very different than her sister (different as in looking ethnically different) but since they're siblings they should score very similar.

Yes. Stears mother looks Slavic/Neo-Danubian. His father looked woggy.
03-10-2021, 07:08 PM
Scandal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

I agree. His result is typical for Alfold, but he's only half Alfoldi and half Hungarian from Romania with some Jewish so his result makes sense.

YOu mean atypical?
03-10-2021, 07:10 PM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

YOu mean atypical?

Yeah, ofc :) It's too southern. Alfold isn't Balkan like genetically but close to average for Hungary.
03-10-2021, 07:13 PM
Scandal

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Code:

Target: Johnnyp Distance: 1.7336% / 1.73356834 | ADC: 0.25x RC 58.9 Vlach(Aromanian)_average 21.9 Slovak 11.9 Swiss_Italian 7.3 Moroccan Distance to: Johnnyp 4.39039862 Macedonian_North 4.98397432 Macedonian 4.98668226 Macedonian_South 6.30527557 Vlach(Aromanian)_average 7.65411001 Albanian_Gheg

Why do you get Swiss-Italian? I also score it. Is it something related to paleo-balkan?
03-10-2021, 07:49 PM
Leto

@Lucas
Can you also rename the Polish references? "Polish" instead of "PL" and simply "Polish" instead of "Polish_mixed"

Code:

Polish_Mazovia,3.7,0.81,0.06,0.04,22.69,58,0.8,0,1.08,0.29,12.53,0 Polish_Warmia-Masuria,5.29,0.89,0.04,0.18,26.06,56.85,0.28,0.03,1.64,0.16,8.58,0 Polish,3.72,0.69,0.16,0.18,25.28,56.52,0.44,0.10,1.67,0.06,11.17,0

Looks better.
03-10-2021, 07:57 PM
JohnnyP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

Why do you get Swiss-Italian? I also score it. Is it something related to paleo-balkan?

I think yeah paleo-balkanic :D I don't have Italian relatives as i know :D
03-12-2021, 01:36 PM
Kaazi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaazi

@Lucas,

Please replace the meaningless harappaworld average (average of 3 different types of kits)

Code:

Brahmin_Uttaranchal,36.19,32.10,7.03,9.59,1.44,1.97,7.97,0.65,0.65,1.25,1.15,0.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00

by

Code:

Garhwali_Brahmin,37.96,32.72,8.36,8.68,0.53,1.86,6.62,0.46,1.05,0.54,1.25,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00

Please add new harappaworld average (n=2)

Code:

Himachal_Pradesh_Rajput,39.73,33.58,9.99,3.61,1.59,1.41,6.37,0.70,2.80,0.48,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00

@Lucas this plz.
03-12-2021, 11:36 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaazi

@Lucas this plz.

I believed it was added, ok I added now.
03-13-2021, 03:11 PM
JohnnyP

Macedonian average Central & South from 55 samples,

Code:

Macedonian_Central&South,22.62,19.59,20.57,10.96,22.05,2.43,0.24,0.33,0.34,0.48,0.38,0.05,0.03

Macedonian average East from 25 samples,

Code:

Macedonian_East,23.05,20.90,22.22,10.85,19.19,1.96,0.29,0.36,0.55,0.30,0.32,0.05,0.07

Macedonian average West from 25 samples,

Code:

Macedonian_West,22.88,21.87,20.69,9.06,21.29,2.32,0.24,0.46,0.44,0.27,0.32,0.03,0.12

Macedonian average North from 25 Samples,

Code:

Macedonian_North,21.63,22.44,18.77,11.00,22.13,2.26,0.23,0.27,0.42,0.41,0.33,0.02,0.04

Macedonian average was with many more kits, here not because many kits are without region info.
But this is final update from me, if you want add them if it is not too much :)
03-13-2021, 03:25 PM
Leto

North Macedonia is too small a country to have so many averages. Come on, there are 1.2 million ethnic Macedonians out there.
03-13-2021, 03:44 PM
JohnnyP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

North Macedonia is too small a country to have so many averages. Come on, there are 1.2 million ethnic Macedonians out there.

In Macedonia there are least people right now, many emigrated ,around the world there are from 2.5 - 3 milion Macedonians, these results are from Macedonians also from all countries around the world, not only from Macedonia and I'm posting these results because some regions are different, ex. East part Macedonians score more North Atlantic and West Med from Baltic and East Med,
Macedonians from North part score more East Med from West Med and more Baltic from North Atlantic, Macedonians from Central and South part score almost equally West Med and East Med with high North Atlantic I can say same for West part, maybe because I'm into this some time, these little difference for you are big for me :)

And I said if it is not too much add them, otherwise don't.
03-13-2021, 03:52 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Macedonian average Central & South from 55 samples,

Code:

Macedonian_Central&South,22.62,19.59,20.57,10.96,22.05,2.43,0.24,0.33,0.34,0.48,0.38,0.05,0.03

Macedonian average East from 25 samples,

Code:

Macedonian_East,23.05,20.90,22.22,10.85,19.19,1.96,0.29,0.36,0.55,0.30,0.32,0.05,0.07

Macedonian average West from 25 samples,

Code:

Macedonian_West,22.88,21.87,20.69,9.06,21.29,2.32,0.24,0.46,0.44,0.27,0.32,0.03,0.12

Macedonian average North from 25 Samples,

Code:

Macedonian_North,21.63,22.44,18.77,11.00,22.13,2.26,0.23,0.27,0.42,0.41,0.33,0.02,0.04

Macedonian average was with many more kits, here not because many kits are without region info.
But this is final update from me, if you want add them if it is not too much :)

Nice, I will add and ask you by PM of some new samples:)

Here is their older avereages PCA position in K36. As we see there is quite big difference between south and the rest. Using one average would be not good.

https://i.imgur.com/Nr8uuOs.png
03-13-2021, 03:58 PM
JohnnyP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Nice, I will add and ask you by PM of some new samples:)

Here is their older avereages PCA position in K36. As we see there is quite big difference between south and the rest. Using one average would be not good.

https://i.imgur.com/Nr8uuOs.png

Yeah , That's from South also from Central, it seems that Central Macedonians are even more southern than South Macedonians from many kits :D
03-14-2021, 12:09 PM
Leto

Russian average for D K12b based on the exact same samples I used for Eu K13

Code:

Russian,4.18,4.88,0.14,0.28,20.22,57.75,0.91,0.03,0.96,0.79,9.83,0.04 Distance to: Russian 2.84608503 Russian_Ryazan 2.91106510 Russian_Tver 2.95382802 Russian_Kostroma 3.37807638 Mordovian 4.06107129 Russian_Oryol 4.24417248 Russian_Kursk 4.46570263 Russian_Smolensk 4.65254769 Belarus_Minsk 4.86305460 Russian_Voronezh 4.89894887 North_Russian 4.94236785 Belorussian 5.53097641 Polish_Mazovia 5.85894188 Ukrainian 6.20722966 Russian_Ural 6.92492599 Polish 7.41000000 Polish_Warmia-Masuria 7.82536261 Estonian 8.38371040 Russian_Arkhangelsk 9.05434702 Sorb_Lusatia 9.20510185 Karelian Distance to: Russian 0.48771658 55.80% Belorussian + 44.20% Russian_Ural 0.63059507 58.20% Russian_Smolensk + 41.80% Russian_Ural 0.83093906 57.40% Belarus_Minsk + 42.60% Russian_Ural 0.94382139 41.00% Russian_Arkhangelsk + 59.00% Ukrainian 1.01657948 53.00% Polish_Mazovia + 47.00% Russian_Ural 1.04770253 58.60% Russian_Kostroma + 41.40% Russian_Oryol 1.08457895 45.00% North_Russian + 55.00% Russian_Oryol 1.20947373 60.20% Russian_Kostroma + 39.80% Russian_Kursk 1.25408709 61.60% Russian_Kostroma + 38.40% Russian_Smolensk 1.25642770 48.80% Russian_Kostroma + 51.20% Russian_Ryazan 1.26909003 46.20% North_Russian + 53.80% Russian_Kursk 1.31264749 41.00% Belarus_Minsk + 59.00% Mordovian 1.41167577 45.40% Mordovian + 54.60% Russian_Tver 1.41376192 54.80% North_Russian + 45.20% Ukrainian 1.45178494 60.80% Polish_Mazovia + 39.20% Russian_Arkhangelsk 1.51635204 55.00% Polish + 45.00% Russian_Arkhangelsk 1.63743806 47.00% Polish + 53.00% Russian_Ural 1.63908127 49.80% North_Russian + 50.20% Russian_Voronezh 1.69067134 58.60% Mordovian + 41.40% Russian_Smolensk 1.72112336 38.60% Belorussian + 61.40% Mordovian

I'm planning to replace Mordovian for K13 but I currently don't have the data on my PC and the person who gave it to me has deleted it, so it'll take some time (not that it's important at all ;))
03-14-2021, 02:28 PM
J. Ketch

New German K13 averages that I posted on the German thread. You can replace the current German and North German averages with these if you like (they're pretty similar), the German_West average should stay though.

Code:

German,43.00,27.31,13.88,5.81,6.40,0.94,0.94,0.15,0.34,0.46,0.36,0.15,0.13 German_Northwest,48.15,27.06,11.62,5.35,3.94,0.84,1.28,0.13,0.43,0.44,0.40,0.15,0.14 German_South,41.78,22.89,16.36,6.24,9.41,1.09,0.52,0.25,0.31,0.42,0.38,0.18,0.11
03-16-2021, 07:47 AM
J. Ketch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Added :)

I think you've deleted Dutch South from K13 Lucas, and have a duplicate one in K15.

Here they are again

K13

Code:

Dutch_South,45.96,23.36,15.21,5.01,5.67,1.35,0.94,0.38,0.56,0.54,0.29,0.35,0.31

K15 (right one)

Code:

Dutch_South,33.18,25.80,10.33,8.52,11.45,3.77,3.20,1.23,0.69,0.26,0.36,0.42,0.18,0.29,0.23
03-16-2021, 02:04 PM
J. Ketch

Also a Belgian K15 average based on 14 kits, that gets closer distances to surrounding areas than the current Belgium average

Code:

Belgian,32.55,26.03,10.30,8.21,11.03,4.08,5.01,1.04,0.62,0.06,0.04,0.36,0.20,0.30,0.09

Code:

Distance to: Belgian 2.07424685 Dutch_South 3.32234857 Afrikaner 3.61005540 French_North-East 4.23823076 French_Brittany 4.72935514 West_German 4.87699703 Pennsylvania_Dutch 5.00996008 German_Bavarian 5.14192571 English_Southeast 5.67682129 Swiss_German 5.70651382 English_Midlands Distance to: Belgium 3.45405559 Dutch_South 4.06038176 French_North-East 4.10321825 French_Brittany 4.35014942 Afrikaner 5.06957592 English_Southeast 5.34652223 German_Bavarian 5.70751259 English_Midlands 5.82640541 English 5.95696231 West_German 5.98311792 English_Southwest
03-16-2021, 09:18 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

I think you've deleted Dutch South from K13 Lucas, and have a duplicate one in K15.

Here they are again

K13

Code:

Dutch_South,45.96,23.36,15.21,5.01,5.67,1.35,0.94,0.38,0.56,0.54,0.29,0.35,0.31

K15 (right one)

Code:

Dutch_South,33.18,25.80,10.33,8.52,11.45,3.77,3.20,1.23,0.69,0.26,0.36,0.42,0.18,0.29,0.23

Quote:

Also a Belgian K15 average based on 14 kits, that gets closer distances to surrounding areas than the current Belgium average

Fixed
03-17-2021, 07:05 PM
Leto

Lucas, I requested some renaming, please do it. I want some consistency in the names of the references :)
03-18-2021, 08:36 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Fixed

I think your inbox is full, so I'll ask you here, do you know about these samples?

http://gigadb.org/dataset/view/id/10...id/File_page/1

it's more than 100 Polish Iron age samples. (without the ones with "77 genomes" in the name, those are microbe samples)
the download links don't work for me.
03-18-2021, 08:58 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

I think your inbox is full, so I'll ask you here, do you know about these samples?

http://gigadb.org/dataset/view/id/10...id/File_page/1

it's more than 100 Polish Iron age samples. (without the ones with "77 genomes" in the name, those are microbe samples)
the download links don't work for me.

There are Wielbark genomes here among others, but I didn't know this location. Before it was on ENA only.
03-18-2021, 09:24 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

I think your inbox is full, so I'll ask you here, do you know about these samples?

http://gigadb.org/dataset/view/id/10...id/File_page/1

it's more than 100 Polish Iron age samples. (without the ones with "77 genomes" in the name, those are microbe samples)
the download links don't work for me.

I can download. But not very fast even on optical fiber connection.
03-18-2021, 09:26 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

There are Wielbark genomes here among others, but I didn't know this location. Before it was on ENA only.

also, here are the Hungarian conqueror studies, but downloads are currently disabled because of maintenance, right?
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB31764
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJNA490697
03-18-2021, 09:33 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

also, here are the Hungarian conqueror studies, but downloads ENA are currently disabled because of maintenance, right?
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB31764
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJNA490697

I downloaded it already. Only few were ok. Wait I will upload to GoogleDrive.
03-18-2021, 09:37 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

I downloaded it already. Only few were ok. Wait I will upload to GoogleDrive.

is that second study just Y-dna data, without autosomal?
03-18-2021, 09:42 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

is that second study just Y-dna data, without autosomal?

Those where were Uyelgi samples, which I gave Davidski to G25.

Very poor samples in general, but you can play (here only Hungarian).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_k9...ew?usp=sharing
03-18-2021, 09:58 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

I can download. But not very fast even on optical fiber connection.

maybe the website is currently lagging and it's usually faster? it takes long even for the page to load for me.

the 200–400 AD samples from Masłomęcz would be especially interesting, possible proto-Slavs.
03-19-2021, 12:17 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

maybe the website is currently lagging and it's usually faster? it takes long even for the page to load for me.

the 200–400 AD samples from Masłomęcz would be especially interesting, possible proto-Slavs.

No one from GIGADB , even this labeled Deep gives any result after conversion (no snps :). Still better samples from Wielbark are on ENA.
03-19-2021, 02:43 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

No one from GIGADB , even this labeled Deep gives any result after conversion (no snps :). Still better samples from Wielbark are on ENA.

how is that possible?

are these the old files?
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%...E9F083531F3F5D
kow24 has only 6 MB here, and 152 MB on GIGADB. the gigadb version should have at least all of the snps which the old version has.

did you check if they are in a different build (hg17, hg18)?
03-19-2021, 08:52 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

how is that possible?

are these the old files?
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%...E9F083531F3F5D
kow24 has only 6 MB here, and 152 MB on GIGADB. the gigadb version should have at least all of the snps which the old version has.

did you check if they are in a different build (hg17, hg18)?

What was under my link was from Verenich convertion.

I tried all four options fro GigaDB files (normally for bam files I didn't get such info so they are somewhat fucked up) :)

https://i.imgur.com/X8T0BmY.jpg
Also old BAK was defeated.

Maybe you will have more luck using something different.
03-19-2021, 08:56 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

I tried all four options (normally for bam files I didn't get such info so they are somewhat fucked up) :)

https://i.imgur.com/X8T0BmY.jpg
Also old BAK was defeated.

Maybe you will have more luck using something different.

then it's probably hg18, which isn't offered here..

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