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03-13-2020, 07:22 PM
Rocinante

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Target: Juan
Distance: 1.6439% / 0.01643945 | ADC: 0.25x
27.6 Gaul
23.6 Siculi
19.8 Nordic_Celt
18.6 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
7.8 Chartaginian
2.6 TZA_Pemba_600BP

Target: Juan
Distance: 1.6223% / 0.01622295
32.0 Siculi
28.2 Nordic_Celt
16.2 Gaul
12.4 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
7.4 Chartaginian
3.2 TZA_Pemba_600BP
0.6 Medieval_Slav

Le ves algun sentido? :lmao me parece un poco desacertado e inutil esta calculadora.
03-13-2020, 07:23 PM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Para los españoles que hayais hecho 23andme, en Ancestry Composition ¿tenéis algún cromosoma que esté completamente (en su totalidad o casi totalidad) calificado como de una zona concreta ("italiano", "francés", "NW", sardo, british isles, etc? No sé si es lo normal pero yo tengo 3 cromosomas (el 100% de su longitud) calificados como NW, entiendo que será algo relativamente normal en bastantes españoles (porque mis medias en todas las calculadoras recuerdo que eran las típicas de los españoles) pero quiero confirmarlo porque me parece algo curioso). No me acuerdo bien pero estos 3 cromosomas eran siempre de la parte de arriba de cada par (es decir, interpreto que son todos o bien herencia de mi vía paterna o vía materna exclusivamente) y eran algo así como el cromosoma 12, el 14 o estaban relativamente juntos (ya lo miraré mejor).

Yo sólo tengo un 8% de NW, la mayoría "Broad European" y sin tener ningún antepasado foráneo en siglos, me parece poco lógico tener 3 cromosomas en su totalidad como NW. ¿Acaso en docenas de recombinaciones durante siglos, ¿no se habría "partido" e intercalado con otros orígenes? ¿Por qué se mantiene tan intacto después de tantos siglos de recombinaciones?

Mera curiosidad pero a ver si a los demás os pasa lo mismo.

Tengo un 15.6% NW, lo más llamativo es que mi británico e italiano se ubica en el segundo alelo del primer cromosoma. El SSA relevante segundo y tercer cromosoma. Porcentaje sardo en el 15.

https://i.imgur.com/ETBy71n.png
03-13-2020, 07:28 PM
mitalit

Target: Xabier
Distance: 1.5662% / 0.01566231
33.8 AngloSaxon
30.4 Chartaginian
21.6 Nordic_Celt
9.6 Hellenic_Roman
4.6 Shardana

Target: Xabier
Distance: 1.5937% / 0.01593680 | ADC: 0.25x
32.8 Chartaginian
31.6 AngloSaxon
17.8 Nordic_Celt
10.4 Gaul
7.4 Hellenic_Roman
03-13-2020, 07:31 PM
mitalit

https://i.gyazo.com/38bfbd17d616d673...48a005e8a4.png
03-13-2020, 07:35 PM
PT Tagus

Target: PT_Tagus
Distance: 1.1215% / 0.01121546
44.0 Gaul
18.4 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
15.8 Ancient_Egyptian
9.4 Medieval_Collegno_Germanic
7.2 Nordic_Sweden
4.0 TZA_Pemba_600BP
1.2 Medieval_Slav

Target: PT_Tagus
Distance: 1.1353% / 0.01135324 | ADC: 0.25x
43.4 Gaul
21.8 Medieval_Collegno_Germanic
16.4 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
14.6 Ancient_Egyptian
2.6 TZA_Pemba_600BP
1.2 Medieval_Slav

Target: PT_Tagus
Distance: 1.2215% / 0.01221539 | ADC: 0.5x
45.8 Gaul
25.4 Medieval_Collegno_Germanic
17.2 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
11.6 Ancient_Egyptian

Code:

Distance to: PT_Tagus 0.02021707 Gaul 0.02377583 Preroman_ItaloCeltic 0.02420720 Medieval_Collegno_Germanic 0.03528706 Levantine_Roman 0.03685691 Chartaginian 0.03985735 AngloSaxon 0.04026919 Nordic_Celt 0.04080430 Nordic_Sweden 0.04436982 Siculi 0.04571871 Medieval_Slav 0.04663267 Hellenic_Roman 0.04692139 Nordic_Norse 0.05854031 Ancient_Egyptian 0.06429810 Shardana 0.06561151 Partic_Iranic 0.07436700 TZA_Pemba_600BP 0.07743346 KEN_IA_Deloraine
03-13-2020, 09:08 PM
Pedro Ruben

Target: Pedro
Distance: 0.9819% / 0.00981884
33.0 Nordic_Celt
25.0 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
22.0 Chartaginian
10.2 Medieval_Slav
7.4 Ancient_Egyptian
2.2 KEN_IA_Deloraine
0.2 TZA_Pemba_600BP

Target: Pedro
Distance: 0.9976% / 0.00997573 | ADC: 0.25x
30.8 Nordic_Celt
26.8 Preroman_ItaloCeltic
20.0 Chartaginian
9.8 Medieval_Slav
6.8 Ancient_Egyptian
4.4 Gaul
1.4 KEN_IA_Deloraine
03-13-2020, 10:10 PM
PT Tagus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gota_type_

Para los españoles que hayais hecho 23andme, en Ancestry Composition ¿tenéis algún cromosoma que esté completamente (en su totalidad o casi totalidad) calificado como de una zona concreta ("italiano", "francés", "NW", sardo, british isles, etc? No sé si es lo normal pero yo tengo 3 cromosomas (el 100% de su longitud) calificados como NW, entiendo que será algo relativamente normal en bastantes españoles (porque mis medias en todas las calculadoras recuerdo que eran las típicas de los españoles) pero quiero confirmarlo porque me parece algo curioso). No me acuerdo bien pero estos 3 cromosomas eran siempre de la parte de arriba de cada par (es decir, interpreto que son todos o bien herencia de mi vía paterna o vía materna exclusivamente) y eran algo así como el cromosoma 12, el 14 o estaban relativamente juntos (ya lo miraré mejor).

Yo sólo tengo un 8% de NW, la mayoría "Broad European" y sin tener ningún antepasado foráneo en siglos, me parece poco lógico tener 3 cromosomas en su totalidad como NW. ¿Acaso en docenas de recombinaciones durante siglos, ¿no se habría "partido" e intercalado con otros orígenes? ¿Por qué se mantiene tan intacto después de tantos siglos de recombinaciones?

Mera curiosidad pero a ver si a los demás os pasa lo mismo.

https://i.imgur.com/7tleNCc.png

Solo componente del noroeste de Europa

https://i.imgur.com/WRaMCvm.png
03-14-2020, 08:29 AM
Rocinante

Modelando a los españoles con mi nueva calculadora:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico

Code:

Anatolian_Farmer,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437 Lapa_Do_Santo,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413 Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028,0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377 Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254 Shahr_e_Sukhteh,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305 Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0.0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844 Kura_Araxes,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602 Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534 Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556 Western_Hunter_Gatherer,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045 Yamnaya,0.1259169,0.0887318,0.0428032,0.1164425,-0.028236,0.045529,0.0036719,-0.002279,-0.0558095,-0.0715732,0.0009742,-0.0003934,-0.0019885,-0.025529,0.0362032,0.0160764,-0.0005869,-0.0012038,-0.0038966,0.0149446,-0.0022928,6.19e-05,0.0112925,0.0189332,-0.0039516 Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe,0.0896355,0.1327805 ,-0.0780642,-0.0667802,-0.0437002,-0.0196618,0.0098702,-0.0065768,-0.035178,-0.0030977,0.0051965,-0.0013113,-0.0006317,-0.0019613,-0.0046145,0.0036128,0.00088,0.0022802,0.0032995,-0.0063468,0.0045232,-0.0033388,-0.00835,-0.0118992,0.0006588 Kolyma_Meso,0.046667,-0.344264,0.090509,0.045543,-0.08063,-0.023148,-0.048882,-0.053075,-0.007363,-0.025149,0.006983,-0.007343,0.014717,-0.025598,-0.020901,-0.003315,0.00339,0.008868,0.016592,0.01038,0.002745,-0.022752,0.010723,0.009037,0.011855 Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152 Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314,0.0016048

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 3.2087% / 0.03208694
54.8 Anatolian_Farmer
28.6 Yamnaya
11.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 3.8775% / 0.03877483
56.0 Anatolian_Farmer
29.0 Yamnaya
12.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 5.0397% / 0.05039651
53.6 Anatolian_Farmer
28.2 Yamnaya
13.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Baleares
Distance: 2.8392% / 0.02839217
56.2 Anatolian_Farmer
31.8 Yamnaya
10.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
1.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 2.7741% / 0.02774114
52.4 Anatolian_Farmer
27.2 Yamnaya
9.8 Iberomaurusian
9.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.8 Gambian
0.4 Yoruba

Target: Spanish_Cantabria
Distance: 3.7804% / 0.03780365
55.2 Anatolian_Farmer
29.4 Yamnaya
13.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
1.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Distance: 3.3697% / 0.03369666
56.2 Anatolian_Farmer
29.0 Yamnaya
12.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 3.7313% / 0.03731316
53.0 Anatolian_Farmer
30.0 Yamnaya
11.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
5.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 3.2926% / 0.03292635
54.0 Anatolian_Farmer
29.8 Yamnaya
13.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 2.8877% / 0.02887674
53.8 Anatolian_Farmer
29.8 Yamnaya
11.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
5.4 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 3.2045% / 0.03204476
53.2 Anatolian_Farmer
30.2 Yamnaya
11.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 3.0738% / 0.03073777
60.0 Anatolian_Farmer
22.8 Yamnaya
16.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
1.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Murcia
Distance: 2.7416% / 0.02741587
55.6 Anatolian_Farmer
28.2 Yamnaya
11.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.2 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Lapa_Do_Santo

Target: Spanish_Navarra
Distance: 4.4511% / 0.04451141
56.0 Anatolian_Farmer
28.4 Yamnaya
13.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.0 Iberomaurusian

Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 5.1622% / 0.05162207
55.6 Anatolian_Farmer
26.8 Yamnaya
17.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Spanish_Valencia
Distance: 3.3077% / 0.03307671
55.2 Anatolian_Farmer
29.2 Yamnaya
13.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
2.6 Iberomaurusian

Se nota que mis ancestros son del occidente iberico.
03-14-2020, 08:46 PM
Gota_type_

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnortedelsur

No soy full Espanol, pero creo que en mi caso, la mayor parte (no todo) de tres de mis cromosomas (en el primer, séptimo y onceavo par de cromosomas) es NW European.

Aqui:

https://i.imgur.com/QI6YzYY.png

Sí, ya veo. Me parece raro que después de cientos de años pueda haber cromosomas que sean completamente supuestamente de una zona. En mi caso pone "Broad NW European", es decir, que no es técnicamente ni British ni French. No me pasa con las otras categorías como Italian o Broad SW European.

Ahora acabo de mirar y en mi caso es el 4º, 12, y 20 cromosoma. Son totalmente NW, es decir, sin ninguna otra aportación. Y eso que sólo tengo un 8% de NW en total, el resto SW European. Bueno, y un 0.1 East Asian, supongo que de alguno de los pueblos germánicos que ya venían con su aportación urálica. Pero este 0.1% me deja en un 99.9% European, joer con los chinos, siempre tocando los huevos. Aunque está claro que no hay que tomar lo de las etiquetas demasiado en serio pues ya vemos lo rápido que las cambian y las califican de otra forma (como el NorthAfrican tan conocido que hace 2 años era más común en los españoles en 23andme y ahora ha desaparecido bastante.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Tengo un 15.6% NW, lo más llamativo es que mi británico e italiano se ubica en el segundo alelo del primer cromosoma. El SSA relevante segundo y tercer cromosoma. Porcentaje sardo en el 15.

https://i.imgur.com/ETBy71n.png

Tienes muy altos el French & German. ¿Tienes algún antepasado relativamente reciente de esas zonas? Y el 0.9% Nigerian? Si eres español 100% quizá tuvieras algún antepasado que se fue a Cuba o a algún país americano de cuando las encomiendas y luego volvieron algunos de sus descendientes. A saber.
03-14-2020, 08:55 PM
Gota_type_

Quote:

Originally Posted by PT Tagus

https://i.imgur.com/7tleNCc.png

Solo componente del noroeste de Europa

https://i.imgur.com/WRaMCvm.png

A eso me refiero. Tienes el cromosoma 20 prácticamente totalmente NW, y buena parte de los otros 2 también. ¿Cómo puede ser que un cromosoma completo o casi completo sea de una zona ajena a la Península Ibérica si la mayoría de los que estamos en la Península Ibérica no tenemos antepasados extranjeros como mínimo en 500-600 años (y posiblemente muchos más)?.

Por cierto, por lo que he leído sí hubo portugueses que trajeron esclavos negros a Portugal. ¿Eso está estudiado bien? ¿Se sabe exactamente en qué fechas fue y a qué zonas se llevaron más esclavos? Es algo que nos suele diferenciar a españoles y portugueses. España no trajo esclavos a la España peninsular, salvo casos muy, muy concretos, y raros. ¿Qué cantidad de esclavos se llevaron a Portugal y por qué eran necesarios en tu país?

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