Dodecad k12b south, west and central asian results

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Originally Posted by Demhat

The Medes were literally a confederation of Iranic and non Iranic tribes who spoke the Median language. Cyrus literally called all of West Media Gutium (land of the Gutis).

The Persian were literally a synthesis of Iranic and non Iranic tribes such as the Elamites and Kassites which formed the Persians.

The very Medes and Persian existence is down to these synthesis of Iranic and non Iranic speakers. We should never forget that.

Before these Iranic tribes mixed with the other locals they literally called themselves just "Aryans".

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Late proto-IEan marker in Yamnaya was R1b. It is possible that R1b related to Yamnaya was also part of the proto-Iranian people, along with some other haplogroups.

Most likely non-Yezidi Kurds mixed heavily with the Parthian Zoroastrian R1a-Z93 people, while Yezidi Kurds who have their R1b from the Gutians and later Mitanni didn't mixed much with the Zoroastrian Parthians.

That makes Yezidi Kurds closer to the ancient proto-Iranian Gutians or Mitanni and non-Yezidi Kurds closer to the later Zoroastrian Iranians such as Zoroastrian Parthians or Zoroastrianized Medes.


R1a-Z93 has something to do with the Zoroastrians.

The other thing I have to tell you is that whereas modern Kurds prefer C. Asian Sarmatian much more over Turkmenistan-IA sample (with some Kurds we can't get passing p-value with Turkmenistan-IA) with Haji-Firuz-IA it marginally prefers C. Asian Sarmatian over Turkmenistan-IA. So there is that uncertaintly with Haji-Firuz-IA because the p-value is insignificantly better with Sarmatian vs Turkmenistan

numthreads: 8
## qpAdm version: 634
seed: 1221472752

left pops:
Iran_IA_HajjiFiruz
Iran_C_HajjiFiruz
Turkmenistan_IA.SG

right pops:
Mbuti.DG
Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG
Onge_1000G
Russia_MA1_HG.SG
Chinese_Han_1000G
Karitiana.DG
Anatolia_N
Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic
Georgia_Kotias.SG

0 Iran_IA_HajjiFiruz 1
1 Iran_C_HajjiFiruz 4
2 Turkmenistan_IA.SG 1
3 Mbuti.DG 4
4 Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG 1
5 Onge_1000G 6
6 Russia_MA1_HG.SG 1
7 Chinese_Han_1000G 211
8 Karitiana.DG 3
9 Anatolia_N 29
10 Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic 10
11 Georgia_Kotias.SG 1
jackknife block size: 0.050
snps: 709309 indivs: 272
number of blocks for block jackknife: 711
## ncols: 709309
coverage: Iran_IA_HajjiFiruz 292807
coverage: Iran_C_HajjiFiruz 624648
coverage: Turkmenistan_IA.SG 585515
coverage: Mbuti.DG 690580
coverage: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG 654138
coverage: Onge_1000G 704593
coverage: Russia_MA1_HG.SG 493659
coverage: Chinese_Han_1000G 709306
coverage: Karitiana.DG 690550
coverage: Anatolia_N 709269
coverage: Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic 709182
coverage: Georgia_Kotias.SG 708661
dof (jackknife): 637.912
numsnps used: 191470
codimension 1
f4info:
f4rank: 1 dof: 7 chisq: 7.589 tail: 0.370258274 dofdiff: 9 chisqdiff: -7.589 taildiff: 1
B:
scale 1.000
Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG 0.087
Onge_1000G 0.464
Russia_MA1_HG.SG 1.532
Chinese_Han_1000G 0.969
Karitiana.DG 1.579
Anatolia_N -0.925
Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic 1.037
Georgia_Kotias.SG 0.260
A:
scale 928.883
Iran_C_HajjiFiruz -0.886
Turkmenistan_IA.SG 1.103


full rank
f4info:
f4rank: 2 dof: 0 chisq: 0.000 tail: 1 dofdiff: 7 chisqdiff: 7.589 taildiff: 0.370258274
B:
scale 1.000 1.000
Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG 0.112 -0.042
Onge_1000G 0.427 0.462
Russia_MA1_HG.SG 1.580 -0.714
Chinese_Han_1000G 0.924 0.771
Karitiana.DG 1.585 0.273
Anatolia_N -0.960 0.342
Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic 1.005 0.248
Georgia_Kotias.SG 0.112 2.535
A:
scale 926.909 1766.689
Iran_C_HajjiFiruz -0.845 -1.037
Turkmenistan_IA.SG 1.134 -0.961


best coefficients: 0.555 0.445
Jackknife mean: 0.556301466 0.443698534
std. errors: 0.090 0.090

error covariance (* 1000000)
8086 -8086
-8086 8086


summ: Iran_IA_HajjiFiruz 2 0.370258 0.556 0.444 8086 -8086 8086

fixed pat wt dof chisq tail prob
00 0 7 7.589 0.370258 0.555 0.445
01 1 8 33.958 4.13408e-05 1.000 0.000
10 1 8 35.378 2.28111e-05 0.000 1.000
best pat: 00 0.370258 - -
best pat: 01 4.13408e-05 chi(nested): 26.370 p-value for nested model: 2.81948e-07

coeffs: 0.555 0.445

## dscore:: f_4(Base, Fit, Rbase, right2)
## genstat:: f_4(Base, Fit, right1, right2)

details: Iran_C_HajjiFiruz Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG -0.000108 -0.182071
details: Turkmenistan_IA.SG Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG 0.000136 0.187760
dscore: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG f4: 0.000001 Z: 0.001244

details: Iran_C_HajjiFiruz Onge_1000G -0.000688 -1.263533
details: Turkmenistan_IA.SG Onge_1000G 0.000251 0.388261
dscore: Onge_1000G f4: -0.000270 Z: -0.512445

details: Iran_C_HajjiFiruz Russia_MA1_HG.SG -0.001051 -1.466728
details: Turkmenistan_IA.SG Russia_MA1_HG.SG 0.002298 2.574205
dscore: Russia_MA1_HG.SG f4: 0.000441 Z: 0.618227

details: Iran_C_HajjiFiruz Chinese_Han_1000G -0.001315 -2.876109
details: Turkmenistan_IA.SG Chinese_Han_1000G 0.000696 1.220378
dscore: Chinese_Han_1000G f4: -0.000419 Z: -0.934819

details: Iran_C_HajjiFiruz Karitiana.DG -0.001639 -2.750704
details: Turkmenistan_IA.SG Karitiana.DG 0.001765 2.308836
dscore: Karitiana.DG f4: -0.000122 Z: -0.203766

details: Iran_C_HajjiFiruz Anatolia_N 0.000644 1.369699
details: Turkmenistan_IA.SG Anatolia_N -0.001385 -2.355306
dscore: Anatolia_N f4: -0.000260 Z: -0.550080

details: Iran_C_HajjiFiruz Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic -0.001089 -2.195375
details: Turkmenistan_IA.SG Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic 0.001072 1.731791
dscore: Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic f4: -0.000127 Z: -0.260643

details: Iran_C_HajjiFiruz Georgia_Kotias.SG -0.001626 -2.224422
details: Turkmenistan_IA.SG Georgia_Kotias.SG -0.001279 -1.434655
dscore: Georgia_Kotias.SG f4: -0.001472 Z: -2.035879

gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG 0.001
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Onge_1000G -0.512
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_MA1_HG.SG 0.618
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Chinese_Han_1000G -0.935
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Karitiana.DG -0.204
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Anatolia_N -0.550
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic -0.261
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Georgia_Kotias.SG -2.036
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Onge_1000G -0.461
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Russia_MA1_HG.SG 0.591
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Chinese_Han_1000G -0.797
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Karitiana.DG -0.192
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Anatolia_N -0.469
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic -0.223
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Georgia_Kotias.SG -1.931
gendstat: Onge_1000G Russia_MA1_HG.SG 0.980
gendstat: Onge_1000G Chinese_Han_1000G -0.375
gendstat: Onge_1000G Karitiana.DG 0.275
gendstat: Onge_1000G Anatolia_N 0.020
gendstat: Onge_1000G Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic 0.317
gendstat: Onge_1000G Georgia_Kotias.SG -1.655
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Chinese_Han_1000G -1.331
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Karitiana.DG -0.828
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Anatolia_N -1.054
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic -0.846
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Georgia_Kotias.SG -2.243
gendstat: Chinese_Han_1000G Karitiana.DG 0.722
gendstat: Chinese_Han_1000G Anatolia_N 0.410
gendstat: Chinese_Han_1000G Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic 1.144
gendstat: Chinese_Han_1000G Georgia_Kotias.SG -1.590
gendstat: Karitiana.DG Anatolia_N -0.260
gendstat: Karitiana.DG Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic -0.009
gendstat: Karitiana.DG Georgia_Kotias.SG -1.825
gendstat: Anatolia_N Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic 0.303
gendstat: Anatolia_N Georgia_Kotias.SG -1.912
gendstat: Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic Georgia_Kotias.SG -1.912

## end of run


HF = 55.5% Iran-Chl +/-9% + 44.5% Turkmenistan-IA +/-9% p-value 0.37

Turkmenistan_IA.SG Takhirbai, Turkmenistan R1a1a1b2 2700 years old

Kazakhstan_Sarmatian.SG Tengiz, Caspian steppe Kazakhstan Female U5a1 2400 years old.
Kazakhstan_Sarmatian.SG Tian Shan, Central Steppe Kazakhstan Female U4a2 2300 years old
Kazakhstan_Sarmatian.SG Tian Shan, Central Steppe Kazakhstan Male I2a2a2a .. U4a2 2000 years old

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Originally Posted by Zoro

Turkmenistan_IA.SG Takhirbai, Turkmenistan R1a1a1b2 2700 years old

Kazakhstan_Sarmatian.SG Tengiz, Caspian steppe Kazakhstan Female U5a1 2400 years old.
Kazakhstan_Sarmatian.SG Tian Shan, Central Steppe Kazakhstan Female U4a2 2300 years old
Kazakhstan_Sarmatian.SG Tian Shan, Central Steppe Kazakhstan Male I2a2a2a .. U4a2 2000 years old

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So is that TA sample still accurate for a average persian? The hurrian sample isnt very accurate.

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Originally Posted by Babak

So is that TA sample still accurate for a average persian? The hurrian sample isnt very accurate.

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What do you mean by TA?

The Hasanlu sample is more accurate. I'll ask Dilawer if he is able to use it instead.

Haji-Firuz-IA coverage 0.641309 SNPs genotyped: 487276 out of 1240K
Hasanlu-IA coverage 2.041 SNPs genotyped 1006536 out of 1240K Y: R1b1a1a2a2 Mt: N1a3a

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Originally Posted by Zoro

What do you mean by TA?

The Hasanlu sample is more accurate. I'll ask Dilawer if he is able to use it instead.

Haji-Firuz-IA coverage 0.641309 SNPs genotyped: 487276 out of 1240K
Hasanlu-IA coverage 2.041 SNPs genotyped 1006536 out of 1240K Y: R1b1a1a2a2 Mt: N1a3a

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Sorry i mean Turkmenistan_IA.

Thanks btw

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Originally Posted by Babak

Sorry i mean Turkmenistan_IA.

Thanks btw

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Yeah you have a point Turk-IA is more accurate than HF-IA and Kazakhstan-Sarmatian, and almost as accurate as Hasanlu. I'll ask

Coverage: 1.790135 SNPs genotyped 975763 out of 1240K

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Originally Posted by Zoro

Totally agree. I wouldn't call him an idiot. Clearly he's not a scientist if he's relying exclusively on G25. I would just call him a misinformed amateur who doesn't understand the issues with Davidski's G25.

The Hurrian he's referring to I think is Haji-Firuz-IA ! and the the Archemenid I believe is Hasanlu-IA. Clearly the G25 is giving totally off results. Davidski's G25 is a mish mosh of modern and ancient samples. Obviously the moderns he has in the run to generate coordinates are having all sorts of effects on the test samples.


So what the G25 shows is irrelevant. Haji-Firuz-IA is actually 67.5% Iran-Chl + 32.5% Central Asian Sarmatian related with a p-value of 0.78 (excellent p-value, model passing p-values used in scientific papers is 0.05)

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You know what I actually think it goes a little beyond just being misinformed. The guy is deliberately giving some misnformation. Those people are more dangerous than the absolute idiots. Because they mix the truth with false information and it appears to people like the individual knows absolutely what he is talking about.

If he actually had a little understanding of genetics. He would know that he can't mix up people of different time scales. And if he actually knew something about Kurdish genetics he wouldn't talk the nonsense he is doing here.

towards the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRsPTGZty2Y


In another video about Yezidis, he also deliberately does not mention their Kurdish origin while using his "high skill G25 Calculator ". Acting like they are a genetic isolate to everyone else.

the misinformation goes that far, if the guy doesn't straight out some of the false informations I might personally start my own Youtube account and I won't be lenient on my way. Being misinformed is one thing but deliberately giving false informations is another.

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Originally Posted by Zoro

Yeah you have a point Turk-IA is more accurate than HF-IA and Kazakhstan-Sarmatian, and almost as accurate as Hasanlu. I'll ask

Coverage: 1.790135 SNPs genotyped 975763 out of 1240K

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Perfect, thanks

Is there anyone could run G25 on me.I’m totally not able to reach any computer and i believe i won’t able to use any computer to research my results for a long time.I will appreciate for any help regardless.