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04-21-2021, 10:34 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

In Serb central are Lika, Dalmatian and west/central Serbia Serbs who are not connected geographically and historically. On the other hand Kordun/Banija Serbs are in Serb North together with Vojvodinian Serbs, again not connected groups.
Kordun/Banija Serbs are connected with Lika and little less with Dalmatian Serbs.
Serbs regionally (geographically, linguistically) are divided on the line southeast-northwest, not south-north.

Yes, the old averages were divided just by latitude, because it looked like only that was important for autosomal differences. For example, the old Vojvodina average from very few samples was identical to the Banija/Kordun average, so I merged them.

Now we know that's not true, so there has to be some change to the averages.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

In Serb_Herzegovina cluster vbn included western part of Montenegro known as Old Herzegovina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Herzegovina
Most of the Old Herzegovina is part of Montenegro since 1878 and smaller part since 1912. I think samples from there should be in Serb_Montenegro cluster. People from Old Herzegovina are mixed with people from other parts of Montenegro for the long time, linguistically they are "montenegrized" and historically Old Herzegovina is tribal region like most of the rest of Montenegro.
In the last over 100 years Herzergovinian Serbs are only from part of Herzegovina which belong to BiH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzegovina), they are not tribal neither montenegrized like people from Old (Montenegrin) Herzegovina.

I made it like that because my Herzegovina samples are mostly from the B&H/Montenegro border with ancestry from both sides of the border. So I thought it wouldn't be correct to merge them with Montenegrins.
But from the current samples I don't see a difference between East and Old Herzegovina, so I also made the current "Montenegrin" country average which is weighted from the Serb Herzegovina and Serb South Montenegro averages.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

My proposal for regional Serbian averages:
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
Serb_Serbia_west_and central
Serb_Serbia_south_and_east
Serb_Montenegro
Serb_BiH_Herzegovina
Serb_BiH_Bosnia
Serb_Croatia

I agree. I thought of something like this too. Bulgaria is divided into 6 averages, and I think it describes their genetics well. Serbs are spread on a wider territory so around 8 averages will be ideal.
The only things I would change, since there is already a Montenegrin country average, as I explained, I would keep the "Serb Herzegovina" and "Serb South Montenegro" as they are.
I would also keep the West and Central Serbia separate, those are large regions with millions of people, and the sample size is good.
04-21-2021, 10:34 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Most of us originated from the same place - the eastern areas of the Dinaric mountain range. Even southern Serbs aren't really different from the rest. We don't need a whole bunch of averages, although I agree the grouping should be done based on dialect rather than geography.

7 clusters is not too much.

Origin of most of the Serbs from east Herzegovina and Montenegro is just myth. Bosanska Krajina, Bosnia proper and western Serbia Serbs in mainstream are 100% of Herzegovinian and Montenegrin origin, and they are different on average then both Herzegovinian and Montenegrin Serbs (vbn averages posted on thread Serbian autosomal dna 2).
04-21-2021, 10:43 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Yes, the old averages were divided just by latitude, because it looked like only that was important for autosomal differences. For example, the old Vojvodina average from very few samples was identical to the Banija/Kordun average, so I merged them.

Now we know that's not true, so there has to be some change to the averages.

I made it like that because my Herzegovina samples are mostly from the B&H/Montenegro border with ancestry from both sides of the border. So I thought it wouldn't be correct to merge them with Montenegrins.
But from the current samples I don't see a difference between East and Old Herzegovina, so I also made the current "Montenegrin" country average which is weighted from the Serb Herzegovina and Serb South Montenegro averages.

I agree. I thought of something like this too. Bulgaria is divided into 6 averages, and I think it describes their genetics well. Serbs are spread on a wider territory so around 8 averages will be ideal.
The only things I would change, since there is already a Montenegrin country average, as I explained, I would keep the "Serb Herzegovina" and "Serb South Montenegro" as they are.
I would also keep the West and Central Serbia separate, those are large regions with millions of people, and the sample size is good.

I agree. 7-8 averages is not too much for Serbs.

Bulgarians have 6 averages, and they are not more numerous than Serbs and they live on smaller territory than Serbs.
04-21-2021, 10:46 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayetooey

That makes sense, the current splitting up of Croatia North vs South into different regions for example doesn't really make much sense to me.

There actually is a difference. Lika Serbs with cca. 50 samples don't go above 34% Baltic, and in Banija there is already a couple of 36% Baltic samples.
This is already a significant difference since Serb averages are all 1-3% away from each other. That's why I made this divison.

But i'm sure all the other regions can also be divided into such sub-regions, I just don't have enough samples for that.
Serbs from Croatia just test more than the others, so we can already see these micro differencers.

So I agree, let's merge those 2 for now.
04-21-2021, 10:52 PM
Ayetooey

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

There actually is a difference. Lika Serbs with cca. 50 samples don't go above 34% Baltic, and in Banija there is already a couple of 36% Baltic samples.
This is already a significant difference since Serb averages are all 1-3% away from each other. That's why I made this divison.

But i'm sure all the other regions can also be divided into such sub-regions, I just don't have enough samples for that.
Serbs from Croatia just test more than the others, so we can already see these micro differencers.

So I agree, let's merge those 2 for now.

36% is pretty high, even for Croats. Whats the highest baltic among Dalmatian Serbs? I have plenty of samples in my list I can post at some point. I think the issue for me was less the splitting of them up, which I find ok if there's going to be lots and lots of regions, but the fact they were split up and then regrouped separately with regions they have less historical overlap with in Serbia proper. But yeah, this seems like the right decision for the time being.
04-21-2021, 10:59 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayetooey

36% is pretty high, even for Croats. Whats the highest baltic among Dalmatian Serbs? I have plenty of samples in my list I can post at some point. I think the issue for me was less the splitting of them up, which I find ok if there's going to be lots and lots of regions, but the fact they were split up and then regrouped separately with regions they have less historical overlap with in Serbia proper. But yeah, this seems like the right decision for the time being.

35.28%

Look down https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6549936
04-21-2021, 11:03 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayetooey

36% is pretty high, even for Croats.

and the region average is 30%.
Croats can have up to 40% and their averages are mostly around 32-34.
That's how it is for all ethnicities, individual results always have a large +- range from the average.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Whats the highest baltic among Dalmatian Serbs? I have plenty of samples in my list I can post at some point.

It's your father with 31%. That would be great, I have only 9 Dalmatian Serb samples.[/QUOTE]
04-21-2021, 11:06 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

35.28%

Look down https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6549936

he's not confirmed. only his paternal line is Dalmatian Serb.
04-21-2021, 11:15 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

and the region average is 30%.
Croats can have up to 40% and their averages are mostly around 32-34.
That's how it is for all ethnicities, individual results always have a large +- range from the average.

It's your father with 31%. That would be great, I have only 9 Dalmatian Serb samples.

Dalmatian Serb (surname Tintor), quite similar Baltic and NA as Aye's father https://i.ibb.co/mzgC5Wd/Screenshot-...2-Chrome-2.jpg

He is former member of Poreklo, he is from village near Zadar (J2b-M205 is his y dna)
04-21-2021, 11:39 PM
vbnetkhio

this is what Lucas should add:

Code:

Serb_Bosnia,24.92,31.27,16.57,9.03,14.29,1.28,0.52,0.30,0.84,0.39,0.47,0.07,0.05 Serb_Croatia,25.35,30.09,16.65,8.84,15.35,1.52,0.51,0.30,0.51,0.41,0.34,0.08,0.04 Serb_Herzegovina,24.24,28.42,17.69,9.12,16.53,1.92,0.17,0.27,0.57,0.44,0.4,0.16,0.07 Serb_Southern_Montenegro,24.06,25.44,18.66,10.11,17.52,2.21,0.27,0.26,0.74,0.37,0.28,0.02,0.05 Serb_Serbia_South,23.55,28.45,16.82,9.8,16.96,2.09,0.51,0.30,0.60,0.38,0.27,0.12,0.12 Serb_Serbia_Central,24.89,29.52,16.74,8.49,16.39,1.75,0.27,0.23,0.73,0.53,0.24,0.07,0.09 Serb_Serbia_West,25.54,29.32,17.4,9.21,14.74,1.29,0.57,0.25,0.85,0.48,0.2,0.06,0.1 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,24.72,28.71,17.21,9.07,16.01,1.5,0.65,0.5,0.54,0.53,0.3,0.07,0.15
04-21-2021, 11:52 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

this is what Lucas should add:

Code:

Serb_Bosnia,24.92,31.27,16.57,9.03,14.29,1.28,0.52,0.30,0.84,0.39,0.47,0.07,0.05 Serb_Croatia,25.35,30.09,16.65,8.84,15.35,1.52,0.51,0.30,0.51,0.41,0.34,0.08,0.04 Serb_Herzegovina,24.24,28.42,17.69,9.12,16.53,1.92,0.17,0.27,0.57,0.44,0.4,0.16,0.07 Serb_Southern_Montenegro,24.06,25.44,18.66,10.11,17.52,2.21,0.27,0.26,0.74,0.37,0.28,0.02,0.05 Serb_Serbia_South,23.55,28.45,16.82,9.8,16.96,2.09,0.51,0.30,0.60,0.38,0.27,0.12,0.12 Serb_Serbia_Central,24.89,29.52,16.74,8.49,16.39,1.75,0.27,0.23,0.73,0.53,0.24,0.07,0.09 Serb_Serbia_West,25.54,29.32,17.4,9.21,14.74,1.29,0.57,0.25,0.85,0.48,0.2,0.06,0.1 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,24.72,28.71,17.21,9.07,16.01,1.5,0.65,0.5,0.54,0.53,0.3,0.07,0.15

Montenegrin and Herzegovinian Serbs have the highest West_Med.

Make sense, i have seen some individual Serbian results from both regions with high WM score.
04-22-2021, 08:45 AM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

this is what Lucas should add:

Code:

Serb_Bosnia,24.92,31.27,16.57,9.03,14.29,1.28,0.52,0.30,0.84,0.39,0.47,0.07,0.05 Serb_Croatia,25.35,30.09,16.65,8.84,15.35,1.52,0.51,0.30,0.51,0.41,0.34,0.08,0.04 Serb_Herzegovina,24.24,28.42,17.69,9.12,16.53,1.92,0.17,0.27,0.57,0.44,0.4,0.16,0.07 Serb_Southern_Montenegro,24.06,25.44,18.66,10.11,17.52,2.21,0.27,0.26,0.74,0.37,0.28,0.02,0.05 Serb_Serbia_South,23.55,28.45,16.82,9.8,16.96,2.09,0.51,0.30,0.60,0.38,0.27,0.12,0.12 Serb_Serbia_Central,24.89,29.52,16.74,8.49,16.39,1.75,0.27,0.23,0.73,0.53,0.24,0.07,0.09 Serb_Serbia_West,25.54,29.32,17.4,9.21,14.74,1.29,0.57,0.25,0.85,0.48,0.2,0.06,0.1 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,24.72,28.71,17.21,9.07,16.01,1.5,0.65,0.5,0.54,0.53,0.3,0.07,0.15

Nice, Bosnian Serb average seems good for me.

Distance to: Dušan
3.04023288 7.00% Italian_Sardinia + 93.00% Moldova_North
3.82996621 61.60% Albanian_Gheg + 38.40% Latvian
3.84834840 39.40% Latvian + 60.60% Torbesh_average
3.93755995 20.40% Latvian + 79.60% Moldova_South
3.99028896 49.80% Russian_average + 50.20% Torbesh_average
4.00603254 7.40% France_Corsica + 92.60% Moldova_North
4.00670988 27.40% Belarusian_Minsk + 72.60% Moldova_South
4.03016301 48.80% Belarusian_Minsk + 51.20% Torbesh_average
4.03047268 51.20% Albanian_Gheg + 48.80% Russian_average
4.03651702 21.20% Russian_Kargopol + 78.80% Serb_Herzegovina
4.03888369 44.60% Torbesh_average + 55.40% Ukrainian
4.05908393 52.20% Albanian_Gheg + 47.80% Belarusian_Minsk
4.06028307 50.80% Moldova_North + 49.20% Serb_Bosnia
4.06998874 67.20% Moldova_South + 32.80% Ukrainian
4.08007365 9.80% Mordovian + 90.20% Serb_Bosnia
4.08523568 23.40% Latvian + 76.60% Serb_Southern_Montenegro
4.08648932 20.80% Latvian + 79.20% Montenegrin
4.09555519 73.40% Moldova_North + 26.60% Serb_Herzegovina
4.09626619 22.80% Russian_average + 77.20% Serb_Herzegovina
4.09749061 22.40% Mordovian + 77.60% Serb_Herzegovina
4.10009557 9.00% Russian_Kargopol + 91.00% Serb_Bosnia
4.10590413 45.60% Albanian_Gheg + 54.40% Ukrainian
4.11188636 16.20% Latvian + 83.80% Serb_Herzegovina
4.11923759 6.60% Latvian + 93.40% Serb_Bosnia
4.12002967 90.40% Moldova_North + 9.60% Torbesh_average
4.12264094 59.00% Greek_Eastern-Macedonia + 41.00% Latvian
4.12657561 91.60% Bosniak_Bosnia + 8.40% Italian_Sardinia
4.12970377 22.60% Lithuanian + 77.40% Moldova_South
4.13703920 74.60% Bosniak_Sandzak + 25.40% Latvian
4.13954105 33.60% Latvian + 66.40% Macedonian_South
4.14019348 68.40% Moldova_North + 31.60% Serb
4.14132290 72.00% Moldova_South + 28.00% Russian_average
4.14214722 60.40% Albanian + 39.60% Latvian
4.14271858 23.20% Latvian + 76.80% Romania_Banat
4.14451692 9.60% Russian_average + 90.40% Serb_Bosnia
4.16377558 33.40% Latvian + 66.60% Macedonian
4.16451966 80.00% Moldova_North + 20.00% Montenegrin
4.16615570 9.60% Albanian_Gheg + 90.40% Moldova_North
4.17396994 79.60% Moldova_North + 20.40% Moldova_South
4.17652272 70.00% Moldova_North + 30.00% Serb_Serbia_West
4.17825465 7.20% Italian_Lombardy + 92.80% Moldova_North
4.18661969 95.80% Moldova_North + 4.20% Moroccan
4.19098396 73.80% Moldova_North + 26.20% Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.19149126 50.60% Belarusian_Minsk + 49.40% Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
4.19347991 8.80% Albanian + 91.20% Moldova_North
4.19511257 82.60% Moldova_North + 17.40% Serb_Southern_Montenegro
4.19906756 6.40% Chuvash + 93.60% Serb_Bosnia
4.20157106 5.40% Mari + 94.60% Serb_Bosnia
4.20188987 8.80% Belarusian_Minsk + 91.20% Serb_Bosnia
4.21013424 71.40% Montenegrin + 28.60% Russian_average
04-22-2021, 07:00 PM
Andrea

my k12b results, i don't know how to interpretate it, however can you show me where i'm on the european cluster map?
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 33.7
2 Caucasus 28.33
3 North_European 21.48
4 Southwest_Asian 8.57
5 Gedrosia 4.54
6 Northwest_African 2.89
7 East_African 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 2.6
2 C_Italian (Dodecad) 5.4
3 TSI30 (Metspalu) 5.66
4 Tuscan (HGDP) 5.91
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 9.46
6 Greek (Dodecad) 10.12
7 North_Italian (HGDP) 11.3
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 12.36
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 12.6
10 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 15.03
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 15.29
12 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.64
13 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.81
14 Romanians (Behar) 16.35
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 19.52
16 Baleares (1000Genomes) 19.73
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 20.3
18 Galicia (1000Genomes) 20.84
19 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 21.4
20 Portuguese (Dodecad) 21.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 31.6% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 1.1
2 68% Greek (Dodecad) + 32% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 1.27
3 67.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 32.5% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 1.45
4 73.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.59
5 88.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.59
6 85.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 14.4% German (Dodecad) @ 1.72
7 91.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 8.2% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.72
8 92% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 8% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.74
9 84.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.3% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.79
10 70.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 29.7% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 1.8
11 62.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 37.4% French (HGDP) @ 1.82
12 72.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 27.6% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.83
13 88.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 11.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.83
14 73% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 27% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.85
15 72.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 27.3% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.86
16 73.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.9% English (Dodecad) @ 1.87
17 63.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 36.9% French (HGDP) @ 1.9
18 89.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 10.4% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.93
19 71.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 28.3% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 1.95
20 96.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 3.3% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 2
04-22-2021, 08:50 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrea

my k12b results, i don't know how to interpretate it, however can you show me where i'm on the european cluster map?

Nice, you are very Italic :D

Code:

Andrea,4.54,0,2.89,0,33.7,21.48,0,0.49,8.57,0,28.33,0 Distance to: Andrea 2.51527334 Italian_Romagna 3.67971466 Italian_Lazio 3.76806900 Italian_Marche 4.97864439 Italian_Tuscany 6.40356932 Italian_Emilia 6.44371787 Albanian 6.84410695 Italian_Liguria 7.29431971 Greek_Thessaly 7.42635846 Greek_Thrace 7.46742258 Albanian_Kosovo 7.66689637 French_Corsica 8.62550288 Greek_Thessaloniki 8.79832939 Greek_Central 8.89040494 Greek_Peloponnese 9.10785375 Greek_Athens 9.12800088 Italian_Abruzzo 9.17897598 Italian_Veneto 9.42595884 Italian_Lombardy 9.63860467 Italian_Piedmont 10.09958910 Bulgarian_Thrace Target: Andrea Distance: 0.6714% / 0.67141277 | ADC: 0.25x RC 52.0 Albanian 33.2 French_Corsica 12.5 Italian_Liguria 2.3 Algerian Target: Andrea Distance: 1.8690% / 1.86902609 | ADC: 0.5x RC 78.6 Italian_Romagna 21.4 Albanian

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04-23-2021, 08:58 AM
Andrea

Ok, but where im in the italian cluster?
Perfect central, central-north, central-south?
04-23-2021, 10:31 AM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

I removed Zaza / Kurd-Zaza ref from Dodecad. Some peoople asked to add Kurd, now other on FB ask me to remove because they are not Kurds. I don't want to have such problematic ref anymore.

On K13, can you change the name Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely to Hungarian_Transylvania+Szekely, because that's the average of Szekelys and Hungarians? That's what differentiates it from the Szekely average.
04-24-2021, 10:04 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

On K13, can you change the name Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely to Hungarian_Transylvania+Szekely, because that's the average of Szekelys and Hungarians? That's what differentiates it from the Szekely average.

+ doesn't cause an error?
04-24-2021, 10:16 PM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

+ doesn't cause an error?

Nope, you have one already for Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
04-25-2021, 09:50 AM
Dunai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

+ doesn't cause an error?

I already PMd you not only once, explaining you in very easy to understand language what you should edit, for the Source to have better and more accurate aesthetics, but after many weeks have passed by nothing was edited...
04-25-2021, 10:17 AM
Leto

Umlauts and diacritics do not cause any error. Removing the ö in Alföld wasn't necessary. I love the diacritics, they look cool :D
04-25-2021, 11:21 AM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunai

I already PMd you not only once, explaining you in very easy to understand language what you should edit, for the Source to have better and more accurate aesthetics, but after many weeks have passed by nothing was edited...

I thought + and umlaut could cause an error. Yes, sorry I edited now.
04-25-2021, 11:30 AM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

I thought + and umlaut could cause an error. Yes, sorry I edited now.

could you replace Serb north, central and south with these?

Code:

Serb_Bosnia,24.92,31.27,16.57,9.03,14.29,1.28,0.52,0.30,0.84,0.39,0.47,0.07,0.05 Serb_Croatia,25.35,30.09,16.65,8.84,15.35,1.52,0.51,0.30,0.51,0.41,0.34,0.08,0.04 Serb_Herzegovina,24.24,28.42,17.69,9.12,16.53,1.92,0.17,0.27,0.57,0.44,0.4,0.16,0.07 Serb_Southern_Montenegro,24.06,25.44,18.66,10.11,17.52,2.21,0.27,0.26,0.74,0.37,0.28,0.02,0.05 Serb_Serbia_South,23.55,28.45,16.82,9.8,16.96,2.09,0.51,0.30,0.60,0.38,0.27,0.12,0.12 Serb_Serbia_Central,24.89,29.52,16.74,8.49,16.39,1.75,0.27,0.23,0.73,0.53,0.24,0.07,0.09 Serb_Serbia_West,25.54,29.32,17.4,9.21,14.74,1.29,0.57,0.25,0.85,0.48,0.2,0.06,0.1 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,24.72,28.71,17.21,9.07,16.01,1.5,0.65,0.5,0.54,0.53,0.3,0.07,0.15
04-25-2021, 11:37 AM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

could you replace Serb north, central and south with these?

Code:

Serb_Bosnia,24.92,31.27,16.57,9.03,14.29,1.28,0.52,0.30,0.84,0.39,0.47,0.07,0.05 Serb_Croatia,25.35,30.09,16.65,8.84,15.35,1.52,0.51,0.30,0.51,0.41,0.34,0.08,0.04 Serb_Herzegovina,24.24,28.42,17.69,9.12,16.53,1.92,0.17,0.27,0.57,0.44,0.4,0.16,0.07 Serb_Southern_Montenegro,24.06,25.44,18.66,10.11,17.52,2.21,0.27,0.26,0.74,0.37,0.28,0.02,0.05 Serb_Serbia_South,23.55,28.45,16.82,9.8,16.96,2.09,0.51,0.30,0.60,0.38,0.27,0.12,0.12 Serb_Serbia_Central,24.89,29.52,16.74,8.49,16.39,1.75,0.27,0.23,0.73,0.53,0.24,0.07,0.09 Serb_Serbia_West,25.54,29.32,17.4,9.21,14.74,1.29,0.57,0.25,0.85,0.48,0.2,0.06,0.1 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,24.72,28.71,17.21,9.07,16.01,1.5,0.65,0.5,0.54,0.53,0.3,0.07,0.15

Might be a stupid question, but why not call Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina as Serb_Serbia_North to keep it consistent with the rest of the nomenclature for Serbian regions?
04-25-2021, 11:41 AM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Might be a stupid question, but why not call Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina as Serb_Serbia_North to keep it consistent with the rest of the nomenclature for Serbian regions?

Vojvodina is just very rarely called "North Serbia" in real life, while West, Central, and South/Southeast are actually the most common terms used for those areas.
04-25-2021, 11:44 AM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

could you replace Serb north, central and south with these?

Code:

Serb_Bosnia,24.92,31.27,16.57,9.03,14.29,1.28,0.52,0.30,0.84,0.39,0.47,0.07,0.05 Serb_Croatia,25.35,30.09,16.65,8.84,15.35,1.52,0.51,0.30,0.51,0.41,0.34,0.08,0.04 Serb_Herzegovina,24.24,28.42,17.69,9.12,16.53,1.92,0.17,0.27,0.57,0.44,0.4,0.16,0.07 Serb_Southern_Montenegro,24.06,25.44,18.66,10.11,17.52,2.21,0.27,0.26,0.74,0.37,0.28,0.02,0.05 Serb_Serbia_South,23.55,28.45,16.82,9.8,16.96,2.09,0.51,0.30,0.60,0.38,0.27,0.12,0.12 Serb_Serbia_Central,24.89,29.52,16.74,8.49,16.39,1.75,0.27,0.23,0.73,0.53,0.24,0.07,0.09 Serb_Serbia_West,25.54,29.32,17.4,9.21,14.74,1.29,0.57,0.25,0.85,0.48,0.2,0.06,0.1 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,24.72,28.71,17.21,9.07,16.01,1.5,0.65,0.5,0.54,0.53,0.3,0.07,0.15

Ok. I hope no one will be complaining again.
04-25-2021, 07:00 PM
Leto

Luke, update the Udi once again ;) I added Azerbaijan for clarity.

Code:

Udi_Azerbaijan,21.23,0.80,0.26,0.28,9.12,9.04,0.94,0.17,11.48,0.34,46.19,0.14
04-25-2021, 09:50 PM
Leto

New Macedonian averages for Dodecad K12b by Johnny. The old one is to be deleted.

Code:

Macedonian_East,4.65,0.39,0.52,0.23,29.07,30.58,0.09,0,7.26,0.40,26.82,0 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje,4.54,0.36,0.68,0.21,27.65,31.03,0.08,0.02,7.28,0.21,27.89,0.05 Macedonian_Polog,5.61,0.27,1.13,0.11,28.51,30.98,0.20,0.02,6.57,0.18,26.39,0 Macedonian_South,5.06,0.27,1.23,0.11,28.81,28.50,0.23,0.02,8.19,0.17,27.46,0 Macedonian_Vardar,5.62,0.48,1.26,0.10,29.18,29.02,0.29,0,6.83,0.21,27.02,0
04-26-2021, 08:33 AM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

New Macedonian averages for Dodecad K12b by Johnny. The old one is to be deleted.

Code:

Macedonian_East,4.65,0.39,0.52,0.23,29.07,30.58,0.09,0,7.26,0.40,26.82,0 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje,4.54,0.36,0.68,0.21,27.65,31.03,0.08,0.02,7.28,0.21,27.89,0.05 Macedonian_Polog,5.61,0.27,1.13,0.11,28.51,30.98,0.20,0.02,6.57,0.18,26.39,0 Macedonian_South,5.06,0.27,1.23,0.11,28.81,28.50,0.23,0.02,8.19,0.17,27.46,0 Macedonian_Vardar,5.62,0.48,1.26,0.10,29.18,29.02,0.29,0,6.83,0.21,27.02,0

Yes, done:)
04-26-2021, 10:11 AM
Ion Basescul

If there will be a K36 updated at some point:

Code:

Moldova_North,0.08,0.53,1.71,1.40,0.00,7.08,0.00,0.02,9.85,0.00,15.72,2.88,11.58,6.67,3.28,8.46,0.01,9.68,0.00,2.09,0.21,3.74,5.22,5.10,0.03,0.05,0.00,0.02,0.05,0.00,0.23,0.03,1.91,0.00,0.81,1.55 Moldova_Centre,0.15,0.89,3.45,1.36,0.00,7.22,0.00,0.14,9.57,0.05,14.42,2.61,10.04,5.59,2.91,6.59,0.04,10.97,0.07,2.33,0.21,5.56,4.87,4.34,0.00,0.03,0.00,0.04,0.00,0.11,0.50,0.01,1.29,0.04,1.82,2.77 Moldova_South,0.05,1.80,2.35,0.72,0.02,4.13,0.00,0.04,8.64,0.04,10.64,6.41,7.47,4.87,2.16,7.81,0.00,17.88,0.07,3.90,0.24,2.78,4.52,5.70,0.00,0.08,0.00,0.01,0.02,0.03,0.66,0.06,0.84,0.00,2.29,3.78
05-10-2021, 06:53 AM
J. Ketch

There's no Goth_Kowalewko average in G25 ancient averages, just the individuals. No.6 is a Central Euro-like outlier, so should separate that.
05-10-2021, 07:24 AM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

There's no Goth_Kowalewko average in G25 ancient averages, just the individuals. No.6 is a Central Euro-like outlier, so should separate that.

Someone can make averages I don't have time today.
05-10-2021, 11:16 PM
Dr_Maul

@Lucas Iranian Persian average for G25 from various regions (100 academic samples)

Code:

Iranian_Persian,0.08970392499999999,0.09769390000000001,-0.06280559999999999,-0.024631974999999997,-0.044349725,0.0006190999999999998,0.00392685,-0.003929900000000001,-0.0285167,-0.015455449999999999,0.00009582499999999997,-0.0012259249999999999,0.0033568000000000005,-0.0029244250000000005,0.0051451249999999995,0.011221075,-0.00400015,0.0018699250000000001,0.0025466250000000003,-0.008849175,-0.0011667,-0.003479575,-0.000019774999999999898,-0.003364275,0.0040295
05-11-2021, 04:47 AM
J. Ketch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Someone can make averages I don't have time today.

Scaled average of the 10 Goth_Kowalewko samples

Code:

Goth_Kowalewko,0.1274818,0.1246054,0.0701822,0.0593351,0.044439,0.0183789,0.0086484,0.0095074,0.007465,-0.0133761,-0.0077134,0.0007193,-0.0045642,-0.0034405,0.0174128,0.0088171,0.0008737,0.0064738,-0.0017094,0.0086292,0.0113301,-0.0025472,-0.0005177,0.0149417,0.0008621

Code:

Distance to: Goth_Kowalewko 0.01937870 Swedish 0.02405762 Danish 0.02685825 Norwegian 0.02746355 Icelandic 0.02933239 Dutch 0.03405292 Shetlandic 0.03422047 Orcadian 0.03470765 Scottish 0.03582557 Irish 0.03680296 English 0.03739593 Welsh 0.03777251 German 0.03904582 Czech 0.03994551 English_Cornwall 0.04040733 Afrikaner 0.04055496 German_East 0.04292982 French_Brittany 0.04599043 Slovakian 0.04781562 Austrian 0.04893128 Hungarian Target: Goth_Kowalewko Distance: 1.7048% / 0.01704796 | R2P 76.6 Danish 23.4 Cossack_Kuban Target: Goth_Kowalewko Distance: 1.5348% / 0.01534767 | ADC: 0.25x RC 50.8 Swedish 27.4 Danish 14.2 Cossack_Kuban 6.6 Norwegian 0.6 Ju_hoan_North 0.4 Koinanbe Target: Goth_Kowalewko Distance: 1.5315% / 0.01531528 43.6 Swedish 24.6 Danish 15.8 Cossack_Kuban 12.0 Icelandic 3.0 Norwegian 0.6 Ju_hoan_North 0.4 Koinanbe
05-11-2021, 06:49 PM
Kyp

For Dodeacadk12b:

please replace "Azerbaijani" and "Azerbaijani_Iran" with these two averages:

n=56

Code:

Azerbaijani_Republic,21.57,2.47,0.84,0.55,8.26,9.05,2.17,0.27,11.90,3.04,39.73,0.12

n=40

Code:

Azerbaijani_Iran,22.15,2.87,0.79,1.01,7.82,8.26,2.88,0.29,12.28,3.02,38.52,0.12
05-11-2021, 08:33 PM
Leto

@Lucas, I've renamed Kaitag and Kubachi for Dodecad, those are Dargin subgroups, not separate ethnicities.

Code:

Dargin_Kaitag,25.44,2.46,0.12,0.11,4.91,26.98,0.79,0.05,2.57,0.07,36.46,0.03 Dargin_Kubachi,27.22,1.64,0.05,0.49,4.48,25.48,0.32,0.02,1.41,0.30,38.56,0.04

Please replace them. Even if you're busy, that'll take only a few seconds.

Also replace Tabasaran too, this is from Balanovsky

Code:

Tabasaran,25.94,2.18,0,0.18,5.97,23.13,0.8,0,3.3,0.74,37.58,0.17
05-16-2021, 10:28 AM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

@Lucas Iranian Persian average for G25 from various regions (100 academic samples)

Code:

Iranian_Persian,0.08970392499999999,0.09769390000000001,-0.06280559999999999,-0.024631974999999997,-0.044349725,0.0006190999999999998,0.00392685,-0.003929900000000001,-0.0285167,-0.015455449999999999,0.00009582499999999997,-0.0012259249999999999,0.0033568000000000005,-0.0029244250000000005,0.0051451249999999995,0.011221075,-0.00400015,0.0018699250000000001,0.0025466250000000003,-0.008849175,-0.0011667,-0.003479575,-0.000019774999999999898,-0.003364275,0.0040295

ofc scaled?
05-16-2021, 10:31 AM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

Scaled average of the 10 Goth_Kowalewko samples

Code:

Goth_Kowalewko,0.1274818,0.1246054,0.0701822,0.0593351,0.044439,0.0183789,0.0086484,0.0095074,0.007465,-0.0133761,-0.0077134,0.0007193,-0.0045642,-0.0034405,0.0174128,0.0088171,0.0008737,0.0064738,-0.0017094,0.0086292,0.0113301,-0.0025472,-0.0005177,0.0149417,0.0008621

Code:

Distance to: Goth_Kowalewko 0.01937870 Swedish 0.02405762 Danish 0.02685825 Norwegian 0.02746355 Icelandic 0.02933239 Dutch 0.03405292 Shetlandic 0.03422047 Orcadian 0.03470765 Scottish 0.03582557 Irish 0.03680296 English 0.03739593 Welsh 0.03777251 German 0.03904582 Czech 0.03994551 English_Cornwall 0.04040733 Afrikaner 0.04055496 German_East 0.04292982 French_Brittany 0.04599043 Slovakian 0.04781562 Austrian 0.04893128 Hungarian Target: Goth_Kowalewko Distance: 1.7048% / 0.01704796 | R2P 76.6 Danish 23.4 Cossack_Kuban Target: Goth_Kowalewko Distance: 1.5348% / 0.01534767 | ADC: 0.25x RC 50.8 Swedish 27.4 Danish 14.2 Cossack_Kuban 6.6 Norwegian 0.6 Ju_hoan_North 0.4 Koinanbe Target: Goth_Kowalewko Distance: 1.5315% / 0.01531528 43.6 Swedish 24.6 Danish 15.8 Cossack_Kuban 12.0 Icelandic 3.0 Norwegian 0.6 Ju_hoan_North 0.4 Koinanbe

added
05-16-2021, 10:34 AM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

For Dodeacadk12b:

please replace "Azerbaijani" and "Azerbaijani_Iran" with these two averages:

n=56

Code:

Azerbaijani_Republic,21.57,2.47,0.84,0.55,8.26,9.05,2.17,0.27,11.90,3.04,39.73,0.12

n=40

Code:

Azerbaijani_Iran,22.15,2.87,0.79,1.01,7.82,8.26,2.88,0.29,12.28,3.02,38.52,0.12

added
05-16-2021, 10:35 AM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

@Lucas, I've renamed Kaitag and Kubachi for Dodecad, those are Dargin subgroups, not separate ethnicities.

Code:

Dargin_Kaitag,25.44,2.46,0.12,0.11,4.91,26.98,0.79,0.05,2.57,0.07,36.46,0.03 Dargin_Kubachi,27.22,1.64,0.05,0.49,4.48,25.48,0.32,0.02,1.41,0.30,38.56,0.04

Please replace them. Even if you're busy, that'll take only a few seconds.

Also replace Tabasaran too, this is from Balanovsky

Code:

Tabasaran,25.94,2.18,0,0.18,5.97,23.13,0.8,0,3.3,0.74,37.58,0.17

fixed
05-16-2021, 06:19 PM
mrt19

I tried it with Eurogenes K13
Should i read it in the same way like with distance? Can someone Intepret my results?
I used Single mode

Target: test
Distance: 2.8348% / 2.83475667 | ADC: 0.25x RC
73.9 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
16.0 Kabardin
5.7 Moroccan
4.4 Italian_Sardinia

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