Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Flea

As i said previously hunter gatheres were always on the move and they were very few compared to farmers.
The fact that the j2b2 scored 15% ehg means even more that he was a recent addition in Europe..and how can you link a J2B2 sample from that time with illyrians ?!

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As I have just said the J2b2 sample's age coincides with the Illyrian arrival into the Balkans

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Originally Posted by Flea

At 15% EHG and something like 20% indo-european it means theres about 65% to spread between WHG and farmers,very low and unusual for that period,obvious recent import and nothing to do with illyrians and just partly european.

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G2 is the only confirmed Farmer haplogroup. You can't pinpoint the rest in that.

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Originally Posted by Flea

At 15% EHG and something like 20% indo-european it means theres about 65% to spread between WHG and farmers,very low and unusual for that period,obvious recent import and nothing to do with illyrians and just partly european.

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Genetic evidence and timing suggest otherwise, he was Illyrian whether or not you will accept it. But I guess your angry because it disproves your theory on Albanians coming from the Caucasus

J2b2 might have come from Sardinia to the Balkans 8000 years ago by a migration from the West, or even from Central Europe.

Caucasus is out of the question as L283 is only found in Europe.

"The oldest J2b2-L283 sample recovered among ancient DNA samples is a Late Bronze Age (1700-1500 BCE) individual from southern Croatia (Mathieson et al. 2017). His genome possessed about 30% of Steppe admixture and 15% of Eastern Hunter-Gatherer, which suggest a recent arrival from the Steppe. He was accompanied by a woman with similar admixtures, and both possessed typical Pontic-Caspian Steppe mtDNA (I1a1 and W3a). The timing, location and admixtures of these samples fit with the Illyrian colonisation of the Dinaric Alps, which is thought to have taken place between 1600 and 1100 BCE. The Illyrians may have been late Steppe migrants from the Volga region that were forced out of the Steppe by the invasion of the northern R1a tribes who established the Srubna culture (from 2000 BCE). Through a founding effect, J2b2-L283 lineages might have considerably increased their original frequency after reaching Illyria." http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplog...A.shtml#J2b2a1

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Dude G2a is the original Neolithic farmer haplogroup

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They did both. Oetzi was out hunting for mountain goats when he was murdered.

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Originally Posted by Dick

They did both. Oetzi was out hunting for mountain goats when he was murdered.

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Hahahahaha, well yh but he came into Europe via the Neolithic migrations. It's obvious that Neolithic farmers already knew how to hunt

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

J2b2 might have come from Sardinia to the Balkans 8000 years ago by a migration from the West, or even from Central Europe.

Caucasus is out of the question as L283 is only found in Europe.

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Hmm. Let's say the early farmers and maybe even WHG were seafarers. Indo-Europeans definitely weren't. They relied on horses.

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

J2b2 might have come from Sardinia to the Balkans 8000 years ago by a migration from the West, or even from Central Europe.

Caucasus is out of the question as L283 is only found in Europe.

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Some of it may have migrated into the Steppe from the Balkans were it later expanded from in greater numbers

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Hahahahaha, well yh but he came into Europe via the Neolithic migrations. It's obvious that Neolithic farmers already knew how to hunt

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Well every archaic human was a hunter and gather. Farming came afterwards