Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I don't believe Zahumljani, etc were Serbs. I believe they were separated Slavic tribes. I consider Kosovo-Resava dialect original Serbian language.

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is it even sure that ikavian shtokavian originated from Zahumlje? is there any research about this?

also, Kosovo-Resava is spoken in an area that was originally under the Bulgarian empire, it was conquered by Serbs later, is there any proof that it was spoken on a different territory earlier?

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

No. Dalmatian Islanders have 0% Panonnian Slavic blood, there was never contact and they lived separated in different countries for centuries, no linguistic influence no nothing.
You can prove us differently and present evidence of NW Croat migration into Dalmatian islands, I will be delighted to read it.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Genetics >>> Paper trail/family stories/legends
Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

EDIT not this.

From first page of results, 0 values too.

Population
North_Sea 20.31 Pct
Atlantic 11.25 Pct
Baltic 18.23 Pct
Eastern_Euro 28.43 Pct
West_Med -
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 18.13 Pct
Amerindian 3.27 Pct
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

and then such format like above in image

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I got confused in first place because you only had to enter results where there was no direct link between the two sites with a kit number or something like that. Matter of logic.

I found a simple instruction video on youtube. Maybe you can add it to the first page for people who are less experienced with such things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvSnoP1E0JU

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

is it even sure that ikavian shtokavian originated from Zahumlje? is there any research about this?

also, Kosovo-Resava is spoken in an area that was originally under the Bulgarian empire, it was conquered by Serbs later, is there any proof that it was spoken on a different territory earlier?

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Not sure, but most consider realm of Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatnić cradle of ikavian because it's borders corespond with historical spread of ikavian.
This area:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tini%C4%87.png
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kPAP0z5Cv...ialect+map.png

What dialect is originally spoken in upper Podrinje/SE Bosnia and SW Serbia/Northern Montenegro? That should be Serbian core.
From what I know East Herzegovina immigrants came there later.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I don't believe Zahumljani, etc were Serbs. I believe they were separated Slavic tribes. I consider Kosovo-Resava dialect original Serbian language.

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Early medieval historical sources mention them as part of Serbian ethnos. In DAI its clearly stated that Serbs populated those Sclavinians and that they were under influence of main Serbian state under Vlastimirovic dynasty.
What you believe is not relevant.

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Originally Posted by Morlak

Early medieval historical sources mention them as part of Serbian ethnos. In DAI its clearly stated that Serbs populated those Sclavinians and that they were under influence of main Serbian state under Vlastimirovic dynasty.
What you believe is not relevant.

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DAI is written reflecting political situation. At time it was written Serbia controlled these lands. And DAI doesn't mentions Dukljani have anything to do with Serbs for example.
It also mentions Serbs got their name from Byzatines. It is not to be taken literally and no serious historian does.

Prince of Zahumlje mentions his origins from Vistula, and White Serbs have no connection with that area.
There is also mention of separate Slavic tribe Neretljani in Paganija, which was absorbed by Croatia later.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

is it even sure that ikavian shtokavian originated from Zahumlje? is there any research about this?

also, Kosovo-Resava is spoken in an area that was originally under the Bulgarian empire, it was conquered by Serbs later, is there any proof that it was spoken on a different territory earlier?

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Nobody know where ikavian reflex was created.
Medieval stećci from East Herzegovina are ikavian and partly ikavian. Charter of Vuk Branković is ikavian. In Šumadija on the grave from 14th century are written ikavian words "Stipan" and "bilig", look here (around middle) http://www.politika.rs/sr/clanak/387...stom-spomeniku

It seems ikavian reflex in the middle age was widespread in the wider Balkan region, Prilep is mentioned as Prilip in some sources.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

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Sorry, proper Dalmatian Croats shift towards Eastern Europe.

K13:

http://i.imgur.com/VUyg11e.png


K15:

http://i.imgur.com/QdmS8WH.png

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

DAI is written reflecting political situation. At time it was written Serbia controlled these lands. And DAI doesn't mentions Dukljani have anything to do with Serbs for example.
It also mentions Serbs got their name from Byzatines. It is not to be taken literally and no serious historian does.

Prince of Zahumlje mentions his origins from Vistula, and White Serbs have no connection with that area.
There is also mention of separate Slavic tribe Neretljani in Paganija, which was absorbed by Croatia later.

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DAI clearly mentions that Serbs settled those areas not that it was jut under our political control.

Quote from DAI "Now, after some time these same Serbs decided to depart to their own homes, and the emperor sent them off. But when they had crossed the river Danube, they changed their minds and sent a request to the emperor Heraclius, through the military governor then holding Belgrade, that he would grant them other land to settle in. And since what is now Serbia and Pagania and the so-called country of the Zachlumi and Terbounia and the country of the Kanalites were under the dominion of the emperor of the Romans, and since these countries had been made desolate by the Avars (for they had expelled from those parts the Romani who now live in Dalmatia and Dyrrachium), therefore the emperor settled these same Serbs in these countries"

DAI may not be flawless but it is the only historical source that talks about South Slavs in such precision. Also there is other sources that mentions Serbs populated those parts of Dalmatia such as Royal Frankish Annals by Einhard from 8th century.