Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Dick

Hmm. Let's say the early farmers and maybe even WHG were seafarers. Indo-Europeans definitely weren't. They relied on horses.

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Yh this thing with J2b2-L283 is weird because apparently it was first found among Sardinians, but people still claim that it came with Indo-Europeans. I believe that maybe some J2b2-L283 from the Balkans migrated to the Steppe where it later expanded from with the Indo-Europeans

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Yh this thing with J2b2-L283 is weird because apparently it was first found among Sardinians, but people still claim that it came with Indo-Europeans. I believe that maybe some J2b2-L283 from the Balkans migrated to the Steppe where it later expanded from with the Indo-Europeans

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In some calculator, the Atlanto-Mediterranean component peaks in Albanians, especially Ghegs across all of Eastern Europe

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uJ3wHmXSLm...atlantomed.jpg

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

In some calculator, the Atlanto-Mediterranean components peaks in Albanians, especially Ghegs across all of Eastern Europe

[IG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uJ3wHmXSLm0/UFtAN2nsPJI/AAAAAAAAD0g/4sIVqH0icsE/s1600/MDLPatlantomed.jpg[/IMG]

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Out of all Albanians here I get the most of it ;)

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Dude G2a is the original Neolithic farmer haplogroup, it has nothing to do with Hunter-Gatherers. He was proto-Illyrian as the age of the sample coincides with the arrival of the Illyrians into the Balkans. I just explained to you about the fact that the father clade of E-V13 was found

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My bad i mixed G with C,even so there was only 1 sample of G during balkan bronze age and the majority were still I2.
Balkans was NOT g2a ,the balkan neolitic they tested were from neolitic balkans settlement hence the neolitic haplos.
But the best proof we have so far is historical,we know for sure that balkans were made of groups like Illyrians,Dacians and Thracians ,which were light haired and eyed people,hence they couldnt have been farmers or albanians..
As i said the samples are too few,and that j2b2 cant be linked to illyrians and even if it was illyrians there was no doubt illyrians had farmer input.

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Some of it may have migrated into the Steppe from the Balkans were it later expanded from in greater numbers

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Seafaring words in Norse are of a non indoeuropean source for example. Big Boss might know more about it since he speaks Norse.

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Yh this thing with J2b2-L283 is weird because apparently it was first found among Sardinians, but people still claim that it came with Indo-Europeans. I believe that maybe some J2b2-L283 from the Balkans migrated to the Steppe where it later expanded from with the Indo-Europeans

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No one claims they came with indo-europeans,j2b2 is a clear farming haplogroup,
sardianians are mixes of neolitic and WHG ,but the vast majority are neoltiic hence a very dark look unusual for Europe..

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Yh this thing with J2b2-L283 is weird because apparently it was first found among Sardinians, but people still claim that it came with Indo-Europeans. I believe that maybe some J2b2-L283 from the Balkans migrated to the Steppe where it later expanded from with the Indo-Europeans

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Don't albanians get some Sardinian % on dnaland?

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Originally Posted by Flea

My bad i mixed G with C,even so there was only 1 sample of G during balkan bronze age and the majority were still I2.
Balkans was NOT g2a ,the balkan neolitic they tested were from neolitic balkans settlement hence the neolitic haplos.
But the best proof we have so far is historical,we know for sure that balkans were made of groups like Illyrians,Dacians and Thracians ,which were light haired and eyed people,hence they couldnt have been farmers or albanians..
As i said the samples are too few,and that j2b2 cant be linked to illyrians and even if it was illyrians there was no doubt illyrians had farmer input.

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There wasn't only one G2a, what are you talking about? Also all the I2a was I2a2(Pre-Celtic-Germanic)
https://s3.postimg.org/l355wq61v/Balkan_genetics_1.png

https://s23.postimg.org/o7vikj06z/Balkan_genetics_2.png

https://s17.postimg.org/4iwsy2m4v/Balkan_genetics_3.png

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Originally Posted by Dick

Don't albanians get some Sardinian % on dnaland?

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Yh some do, I personally got 1.1% Sardinian on dnaland

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Originally Posted by Flea

No one claims they came with indo-europeans,j2b2 is a clear farming haplogroup,
sardianians are mixes of neolitic and WHG ,but the vast majority are neoltiic hence a very dark look unusual for Europe..

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Eupedia does. Explain to me why the J2b2-L283 Proto-Illyrian was 30% Steppe admixed and why he had a typical Steppe Mtdna