Dodecad k12b south, west and central asian results

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04-25-2020, 10:24 PM
Kyp

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Originally Posted by Gecko

btw i think it is important to say that these turkmens were probably close to now days Uzbk/Afgh Turkmens-Uzbeks-Uygurs(regarding theair easteurasian admix)

Yes first wave of Seljuks most likely.
Second wave was already mixed. Here is the Anatolian Turkmen sample who fits the Safavid timeframe:

MA2195 Ottoman 1400-1600AD

Gedrosian: 13.98
Siberian: 10.53
Northwest_African: 3.80
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 12.36
North_European: 12.63
South_Asian 2.74
East_African 1.67
Southwest_Asian: 3.09
East_Asian: 12.12
Caucasian: 26.34
SSA: 0.7

Distance to: Ottoman_Turk
10.31514905 Yoruk
12.41149064 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
13.18566267 Turk_Northwest
14.11639827 Turk_Southwest
15.56407080 Turkmen_Iran
16.08956805 Uzbek
16.77137144 Turk_West_BlackSea
16.98567632 Nogais
16.98648875 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
17.01348289 Turk_South
17.05138997 Turk_Anatolia
17.71138052 Turk_Central_West
17.84925209 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
18.04983102 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
18.53741622 Turkmens
20.07653107 Tajik_Balanovsky2019
20.11586687 Turk_Central_East
20.67767879 Turk_Southeast
21.16237936 Iran_Khorasan
21.17463341 Azerbaijani
21.77565384 Azerbaijani_Turkey
22.44257115 Azerbaijani_Iran
22.47654555 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
23.81957178 Turk_Bulgaria
23.97379611 Yagnobi

It only takes 2 or 3 more generations of mixing to get modern Turkish or Azerbaijani results. Thats not much for such a long timeframe. Considering lifespans in these times.
04-25-2020, 10:26 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Yes first wave of Seljuks most likely.
Second wave was already mixed. Here is the Anatolian Turkmen sample who fits the Safavid timeframe:

MA2195 Ottoman 1400-1600AD

Gedrosian: 13.98
Siberian: 10.53
Northwest_African: 3.80
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 12.36
North_European: 12.63
South_Asian 2.74
East_African 1.67
Southwest_Asian: 3.09
East_Asian: 12.12
Caucasian: 26.34
SSA: 0.7

Distance to: Ottoman_Turk
10.31514905 Yoruk
12.41149064 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
13.18566267 Turk_Northwest
14.11639827 Turk_Southwest
15.56407080 Turkmen_Iran
16.08956805 Uzbek
16.77137144 Turk_West_BlackSea
16.98567632 Nogais
16.98648875 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
17.01348289 Turk_South
17.05138997 Turk_Anatolia
17.71138052 Turk_Central_West
17.84925209 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
18.04983102 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
18.53741622 Turkmens
20.07653107 Tajik_Balanovsky2019
20.11586687 Turk_Central_East
20.67767879 Turk_Southeast
21.16237936 Iran_Khorasan
21.17463341 Azerbaijani
21.77565384 Azerbaijani_Turkey
22.44257115 Azerbaijani_Iran
22.47654555 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
23.81957178 Turk_Bulgaria
23.97379611 Yagnobi

Dawg thats a solid result
04-25-2020, 10:29 PM
Mejgusu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Yes first wave of Seljuks most likely.
Second wave was already mixed. Here is the Anatolian Turkmen sample who fits the Safavid timeframe:

MA2195 Ottoman 1400-1600AD

Gedrosian: 13.98
Siberian: 10.53
Northwest_African: 3.80
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 12.36
North_European: 12.63
South_Asian 2.74
East_African 1.67
Southwest_Asian: 3.09
East_Asian: 12.12
Caucasian: 26.34
SSA: 0.7

Distance to: Ottoman_Turk
10.31514905 Yoruk
12.41149064 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
13.18566267 Turk_Northwest
14.11639827 Turk_Southwest
15.56407080 Turkmen_Iran
16.08956805 Uzbek
16.77137144 Turk_West_BlackSea
16.98567632 Nogais
16.98648875 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
17.01348289 Turk_South
17.05138997 Turk_Anatolia
17.71138052 Turk_Central_West
17.84925209 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
18.04983102 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
18.53741622 Turkmens
20.07653107 Tajik_Balanovsky2019
20.11586687 Turk_Central_East
20.67767879 Turk_Southeast
21.16237936 Iran_Khorasan
21.17463341 Azerbaijani
21.77565384 Azerbaijani_Turkey
22.44257115 Azerbaijani_Iran
22.47654555 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
23.81957178 Turk_Bulgaria
23.97379611 Yagnobi

I am maybe half of that one. The homevillages of my mother can trace back to this time, then they were called as kislak. paternal they were settled in 19th century.
04-25-2020, 11:18 PM
Fedora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Yes he doesn't even show a strong SW shift like other Kurds. Basically pure West Iranic.

For Azeris: range 9-14.50
average around 11-12

What's his ancestry? looks like Iranian Azerbaijani

He's from Lenkeran region as far as I know, and not a Talysh (Atleast I've remember seeing a result with that Y-DNA from that region)
That guy might have a mongol paternal line.
04-26-2020, 11:05 AM
Leto

Kabardian/Circassian (last name is found primarily in the KBR)

Population
Gedrosia 21.05 Pct
Siberian 2.25 Pct
Northwest_African 0.28 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.18 Pct
North_European 17.04 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.91 Pct
East_Asian 2.62 Pct
Caucasus 48.62 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Zinaida
Distance: 2.0310% / 2.03103281 | ADC: 0.5x
90.4 Circassian
7.0 Lezgins
2.6 Georgian_Svan

Target: Zinaida
Distance: 1.6036% / 1.60358730 | ADC: 0.25x
66.0 Circassian
14.4 Ingush
10.8 Georgian_Svan
8.6 Lezgins
0.2 JPT30

K13 oracle tells a different story though:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Ossetian 3.71
2 Adygei 5.03
3 Ossetian 5.24
4 Balkar 6.81
5 Kabardin 7.47
6 Georgian 8.53
7 Chechen 8.77
8 Abhkasian 9.5
9 Kumyk 9.87
10 Lezgin 10.03

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.6% North_Ossetian + 24.4% Abhkasian @ 2.21
2 75.6% North_Ossetian + 24.4% Georgian @ 2.62
3 95% North_Ossetian + 5% Brahui @ 3.4
4 95% North_Ossetian + 5% Makrani @ 3.45
5 95.3% North_Ossetian + 4.7% Balochi @ 3.45
04-26-2020, 11:32 AM
Impaler

Target: Dargin_Dagestan
Distance: 0.9583% / 0.95829984 | ADC: 0.25x
82.0 Dargin
11.2 Avar_Dagestan
2.2 Yagnobi
2.0 French_Basque
1.4 Kalash
0.8 Tajiks
0.4 Nganassan

Target: Dargin_Dagestan
Distance: 1.6326% / 1.63256980 | ADC: 0.5x
79.0 Dargin
13.6 Avar_Dagestan
6.6 Yagnobi
0.8 French_Basque

Distance to: Dargin_Dagestan
2.87215947 Dargin
3.70838240 Avar
3.75158633 Avar_Dagestan
4.60988069 Lak
13.16875469 Lezgins
13.26595266 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.72741418 Ingush
13.84275623 Yagnobi
16.45205458 Kumyks
18.30153272 Circassian
04-26-2020, 12:08 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impaler

Target: Dargin_Dagestan
Distance: 0.9583% / 0.95829984 | ADC: 0.25x
82.0 Dargin
11.2 Avar_Dagestan
2.2 Yagnobi
2.0 French_Basque
1.4 Kalash
0.8 Tajiks
0.4 Nganassan

Target: Dargin_Dagestan
Distance: 1.6326% / 1.63256980 | ADC: 0.5x
79.0 Dargin
13.6 Avar_Dagestan
6.6 Yagnobi
0.8 French_Basque

Distance to: Dargin_Dagestan
2.87215947 Dargin
3.70838240 Avar
3.75158633 Avar_Dagestan
4.60988069 Lak
13.16875469 Lezgins
13.26595266 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.72741418 Ingush
13.84275623 Yagnobi
16.45205458 Kumyks
18.30153272 Circassian

A academic sample? Can you post the components please?
04-26-2020, 12:15 PM
Impaler

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

A academic sample? Can you post the components please?

No, someone from TA posted his results.

Dargin_Dagestan,27.31,3.13,0.0,0.0,7.12,25.49,1.22 ,0.0,0.62,0.29,34.64,0.19
04-26-2020, 02:34 PM
Leto

Kurds from Kazakhstan (n=6)
They were deported from Naxcivan and Georgia to Southeastern Kazakhstan by Joseph Stalin in the 1930s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Kazakhstan

Gedrosia 27.48
Siberian 0.86
Northwest_African 0.39
Southeast_Asian 0.68
Atlantic_Med 5.91
North_European 6.34
South_Asian 1.45
East_African 0.12
Southwest_Asian 13.92
East_Asian 0.16
Caucasus 42.69
Sub_Saharan 0

Target: Kurd_KAZ
Distance: 1.1849% / 1.18487001 | ADC: 1x
94.4 Kurds
5.6 Talysh_Azerbaijan

Target: Kurd_KAZ
Distance: 0.8562% / 0.85622542 | ADC: 0.5x
83.0 Kurds
15.8 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.8 Azerbaijan_Jews
0.4 Georgian_Turkey

Kurd_KAZ,27.48,0.86,0.39,0.68,5.91,6.34,1.45,0.12, 13.92,0.16,42.69,0
04-26-2020, 02:46 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

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Kurd_KAZ,27.48,0.86,0.39,0.68,5.91,6.34,1.45,0.12, 13.92,0.16,42.69,0

Distance to: Father
10.94178230 Kurd_KAZ

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