Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

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Originally Posted by Demhat

Don't start with this bullshit in the typical Pan Turanist manner.

Just few posts ago you used self definition as argument for not naming the Yezidi and Zaza branch as Kurdish, when I pointed out that probably the majority of Azeris call themselves simply Persians you did mental gymanistics and now run back to "academic classifications"?

No Azeris in Iran are not considered or called Azerbaijanis by the general science. They are simply called Azeris. Azerbaijani refers to people from the Azerbaijani country. Stop flip flopping with arguments.

I do not agree with Zoro you guys are not clowns. You are the entire Circus. I had my suspicion about you since the very first days but tried to stay friendly. But fact of the matter is you guys are like mental spastics.

And you even once unintentionally revealed yourself to me as not being what you claim to be. You are either from Turkey or have lived for a long time there.

I don't know what the Hell is wrong with Leto but the way how he runs to your rescue and generally seems to have a fettish for Turkish or Turkic things makes me wonder if he and you are in some kind of romantic relation. But I am not going to sit here and watch how two weirdos keep on falsifying data about Kurds and ignore advanced science from the likes of Zoro because apparently they have no clue how it works.

Now stick your friendly character up somewhere else and show your real face.

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I've yet to see an actual Russian spend 99% of their time on W. and S. Asians. I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me he's from that part of Asia :) As far as Kyp he hasn't given me any reason to believe he's other than German-Azeri but to me he seems like he likes to Turkify Azeris as much as possible where everything I've read indicates that Iranian Azeris are probably descended from the same genetic pool as Kurds. You can see it in the calculator oracles where Kurds sometimes get Azeri in 1st or 2nd position.

Having said this they do seem to both have a good interest in genetics but they need to expand their sphere of knowledge outside of Gedmatch and G25 and start reading more papers if they want to gain a better understanding of genetics.

And before you start to cite Wikipedia again.
Wikipedia does not consider itself as a reliable source. Even the founder says so.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPa0vxC6NA0&t=240s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YDn7wbwh-k&t=6s


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe...l%20the%20time.

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Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at any time. This means that any information it contains at any particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or just plain wrong. Biographies of living persons, subjects that happen to be in the news, and politically or culturally contentious topics are especially vulnerable to these issues. Edits on Wikipedia that are in error may eventually be fixed. However, because Wikipedia is a volunteer-run project, it cannot monitor every contribution all the time. There are many errors that remain unnoticed for days, weeks, months, or even years. Therefore, Wikipedia should not be considered a definitive source in and of itself.

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I have seen this quite allot. A website being used as source that quotes Wikipedia itself. To create the image that many sources agree with it lol.

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Somewhat related to the "information loop", but perhaps more worrisome, is the propagation of misinformation to other websites (Answers.com is just one of many) which will often quote misinformation from Wikipedia verbatim, and without mentioning that it has come from Wikipedia. A piece of misinformation originally taken from a Wikipedia article will live on in perhaps dozens of other websites, even if Wikipedia itself has deleted the unreliable material.[114]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia


Next time think twice before you cite Wikipedia.

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Originally Posted by Zoro

I've yet to see an actual Russian spend 99% of their time on W. and S. Asians. I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me he's from that part of Asia :) As far as Kyp he hasn't given me any reason to believe he's other than German-Azeri but to me he seems like he likes to Turkify Azeris as much as possible where everything I've read indicates that Iranian Azeris are probably descended from the same genetic pool as Kurds. You can see it in the calculator oracles where Kurds sometimes get Azeri in 1st or 2nd position.

Having said this they do seem to both have a good interest in genetics but they need to expand their sphere of knowledge outside of Gedmatch and G25 and start reading more papers if they want to gain a better understanding of genetics.

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I couldn't care less about their genetic work but for people who claim the labels are like this "because they didn't think much of it" They honestly take ALLOT of time to defend this decisions instead of just fixing it?

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Don't need to add them otherwise we would have too many Iranian averages. Please delete one of the "Turkmen_Iran" duplicates btw.

@Zoro I only created Yazidi average, the "Kurd_Iran" shouldn't be added (as I said), they are just based on the samples from the Iranian study YOU YOURSELF suspected as the Kurdish samples. But since we can't be 100% sure all of them are Kurds we shouldn't add it.

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Ok I did indicate which ones were genetically Kurds and which were borderline Kurd-Azeri based on the IBD formal stats and other analysis however, the one I thought were Kurds didn't have the averages you posted which is why I thought it best for the authors to supply that type of info.

Wrt to Dodecad K12 who removed the Dodecad K12 creater Kurd averages because those averages where the ones consistent with Iraqi Kurds and the Soranis and Feylis posted on Palisto's Kurdish DNA blog ?

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Originally Posted by Zoro

Ok I did indicate which ones were genetically Kurds and which were borderline Kurd-Azeri based on the IBD formal stats and other analysis however, the one I thought were Kurds didn't have the averages you posted which is why I thought it best for the authors to supply that type of info.

Wrt to Dodecad K12 who removed the Dodecad K12 creater Kurd averages because those averages where the ones consistent with Iraqi Kurds and the Soranis and Feylis posted on Palisto's Kurdish DNA blog ?

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I added some confirmed Iranian Kurds too from my spreadsheet (but not many) that's why the average is a bit different I think.

The problem with the samples is, that it could probably include 1 or 2 Azeris while missing Kurds who were closer to the Central Iranian cluster, that's why I said it should not be added. I thought it would be interesting to see nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Zoro

I've yet to see an actual Russian spend 99% of their time on W. and S. Asians. I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me he's from that part of Asia :)

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I am Russian but a lot of those ethnicities are/were under Russian or Soviet rule. I grew up seeing a lot of Armenians, Azerbaijanis, later on Central Asians and other migrants joined them. I don't know why I have to explain this. TA doesn't have many West or Central Asians. How many Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Dagestanis, Georgians, etc. are there on this forum? And how many of them are interested in Dodecad or genetics in general?

MOST of the original Dodecad spreadsheet is seriously inaccurate, largely due to the calculator effect. That was the reason why we started to update it.

Tajik:

Gedrosian: 28.19
Siberian: 5.17
Northwest_African: 0.11
Southeast_Asian: 1.37
Atlantic_Med: 3.88
North_European: 18.72
South_Asian: 8.52
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 3.87
East_Asian: 6.89
Caucasian: 23.37
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Tajik
3.19859344 Tajik_Tajikistan
8.08600643 Yagnobi
8.11810939 Tajiks
9.50598759 Tajik_Herat
10.20771277 Turkmen_TM
10.31474188 Pamiri_Shughnan
10.49900471 Pamiri_Rushan
10.92007784 Tajik_Balkh
11.24976889 Pamiri_Ishkashim
12.37387571 Turkmen_Iran
13.37516729 Pashtun_Kandahar
13.99586725 Tajik_Kabul
15.31454537 Iran_Khorasan
16.19692255 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
16.86333893 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
17.81501052 Tabasaran
17.84757406 Lezgin
17.89149239 Qumuq
18.16337799 Avar
18.88724173 Kho
18.91562582 Dargin
18.98190454 Pashtun_Tarkalani
18.99687869 Uzbek
18.99698924 Lak2

Target: Tajik_Dushanbe
Distance: 2.1082% / 2.10819410 | ADC: 0.5x RC
72.9 Tajik_Tajikistan
14.5 Tajik_Herat
10.4 Tabasaran
2.2 Turkmen_TM

FINALLY something worthwhile in this sea of bullshit! Guys, if you don't like this calc, you are free to fucking LEAVE! Don't spam the thread with lengthy posts that do not contain actual Dodecad results. Otherwise we'll have to close this shit down.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Tajik from Dushanbe:

Gedrosian: 28.19
Siberian: 5.17
Northwest_African: 0.11
Southeast_Asian: 1.37
Atlantic_Med: 3.88
North_European: 18.72
South_Asian: 8.52
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 3.87
East_Asian: 6.89
Caucasian: 23.37
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Tajik_Dushanbe
3.19859344 Tajik_Tajikistan
8.08600643 Yagnobi
8.11810939 Tajiks
9.50598759 Tajik_Herat
10.20771277 Turkmen_TM
10.31474188 Pamiri_Shughnan
10.49900471 Pamiri_Rushan
10.92007784 Tajik_Balkh
11.24976889 Pamiri_Ishkashim
12.37387571 Turkmen_Iran
13.37516729 Pashtun_Kandahar
13.99586725 Tajik_Kabul
15.31454537 Iran_Khorasan
16.19692255 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
16.86333893 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
17.81501052 Tabasaran
17.84757406 Lezgin
17.89149239 Qumuq
18.16337799 Avar
18.88724173 Kho
18.91562582 Dargin
18.98190454 Pashtun_Tarkalani
18.99687869 Uzbek
18.99698924 Lak2

Target: Tajik_Dushanbe
Distance: 2.1082% / 2.10819410 | ADC: 0.5x RC
72.9 Tajik_Tajikistan
14.5 Tajik_Herat
10.4 Tabasaran
2.2 Turkmen_TM

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He is most likely from elsewhere, or his parents were. Dushanbe was a majority Russian and Russian-speaking city until the 1980s. Russian, Tatars, Jews, Koreans and a minority of Uzbeks and Tajiks (educated in Russian-medium schools).

Y-DNA?

I have changed the Tajik references, it should be Tajik_Lowland (Hisar and Kulob) and Tajik_Mountain (Ayni). Luke hasn't updated them.