Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

There are actually, there was a Nogai from Bursa who has 45% East Eurasian. Only natives are being added to these maps so Tatars excluded most of time.

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Nogai with 45% mongoloid? That is actually very big amount of east eurasian even for Nogai.
Imo it is very important to tell sth about the history of your family regarding genetics but aren’t they natives already. We once had here a result with obviously Tatar background.

Nogay. Crimea -> Dobruja -> Anatolia

y-DNA: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M478/

https://i.ibb.co/VNQxbvf/nogay.jpg

Code:

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Karakalpak @ 8,419448
2 Uzbek @ 13,046761
3 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 13,104901
4 Kazakh @ 15,274515
5 Uygur @ 16,194346
6 Bashkir @ 16,72267
7 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 18,279725
8 Hazara @ 19,084544
9 Kyrgyz @ 19,533409
10 Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 20,757812
11 Nogais @ 26,119795
12 Uzbeks @ 28,715708
13 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 29,151063
14 Yoruk @ 29,165221
15 Turkmen_Iran @ 29,720728
16 Altai @ 30,252289
17 Turk_Northwest @ 31,103723
18 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 32,387149
19 Turkmens @ 32,451239
20 Tajiks @ 32,485532
21 Turk_Southwest @ 32,621374
22 Rus_Pinega @ 32,700214
23 Mari @ 33,905332
24 Mongol @ 33,912591
25 Turk_Bulgaria @ 34,065894
26 Udmurt @ 34,777655
27 Pamiri_Shughnan @ 34,837973
28 Yagnobi @ 34,956702
29 Turk_West_BlackSea @ 34,993693
30 Pamiri_Rushan @ 35,240101
335 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak @ 4,770161
2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh @ 4,77375
3 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kyrgyz @ 5,560363
4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 6,215821
5 Karakalpak+Uzbek @ 7,367021
6 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Uygur @ 7,863796
7 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 7,885111
8 Kazakh+Uzbek @ 7,994195
9 Mongol+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,114817
10 Kazakh+Nogais @ 8,123219
11 Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 8,271884
12 Karakalpak+Karakalpak @ 8,419448
13 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 8,423815
14 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Hazara @ 8,720328
15 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,741879
16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Kyrgyz @ 8,911536
17 Kazakh+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 8,919221
18 Kyrgyz+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,953308
19 Bashkir+Uygur @ 8,960296
20 Karakalpak+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 9,211075
21 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Mongol @ 9,220672
22 Bashkir+Karakalpak @ 9,339194
23 Altai+Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 9,344107
24 Mongol+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 9,377959
25 Bulgarian+Mongol @ 9,592672
26 Gagauz+Mongol @ 9,694918
27 Mongol+Pomak @ 9,695233
28 Mongol+Turk_Greece @ 9,736249
29 Mongol+Romanians @ 9,819193
30 Altai+Turk_Bulgaria @ 9,833959
56280 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kazakh +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 3,208146
2 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Ossetian @ 3,793423
3 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Hezhen @ 3,850046
4 50% Bashkir +25% Mongola +25% Ossetian @ 3,927515
5 50% Kyrgyz +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 3,946563
6 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 3,960473
7 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Balkar +25% Bashkir @ 4,036909
8 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 4,038591
9 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bashkir +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 4,041452
10 50% Bashkir +25% Karachay +25% Mongola @ 4,069752
11 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Mongola @ 4,095293
12 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Karachay @ 4,101446
13 50% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,110449
14 50% Karakalpak +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% Kazakh @ 4,115837
15 50% Kazakh +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 4,141758
16 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Ingush @ 4,155843
17 50% Karakalpak +25% Bulgarian +25% Kyrgyz @ 4,15737
18 50% Karakalpak +25% Kazakh +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,188157
19 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 4,195193
20 50% Karakalpak +25% Karakalpak +25% Nogais @ 4,198575
21 50% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,23804
22 50% Bashkir +25% Ossetian +25% Xibo @ 4,23886
23 50% Bashkir +25% Balkar +25% Hezhen @ 4,249611
24 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz @ 4,251028
25 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bulgarians +25% Uzbek @ 4,254552
26 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Daur @ 4,270433
27 50% Bashkir +25% Daur +25% Ossetian @ 4,283566
28 50% Karakalpak +25% Bulgarian +25% Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 4,293773
29 50% Bashkir +25% Balkar +25% Mongola @ 4,303427
30 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Bashkir +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 4,306929
10803782 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,033894
2 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,133439
3 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,2054
4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kazakh+Nogais @ 3,208146
5 Dargin+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,261588
6 Ket+Korean+Lak+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,275587
7 Avar+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,27591
8 Ket+Korean+Lak+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,289879
9 Hazara+Hungarians+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,296091
10 Avar+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,309217
11 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 3,318868
12 HUN_Szekely+Ingush+Ket+Korean @ 3,348606
13 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,367688
14 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 3,370286
15 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 3,37492
16 HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean+Kumyks @ 3,377004
17 Ket+Korean+Tabasaran+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,392301
18 Avar_Dagestan+Korean+Selkup+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,430671
19 HUN_Szekely+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,43287
20 Dargin+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,437605
21 Avar_Dagestan+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,442478
22 Croat+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,458789
23 Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz+Tabasaran @ 3,464015
24 Gagauz+Ket+Korean+Lak @ 3,474942
25 Bosnian+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,481901
26 Nogais+Oroqen+Slovenian+Uygur @ 3,482223
27 Kumyks+Kyrgyz+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,49168
28 Karachay+Komi+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,492521
29 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Greece @ 3,505
30 Chechen+HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean @ 3,507987
31 Avar+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,508751
32 Hungarians+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,510524
33 Hezhen+Mari+Nogais+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 3,522946
34 HUN_Szekely+Kyrgyz+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,524091
35 HUN_Szekely+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,525926
36 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Slovenian @ 3,538175
37 Circassian+HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean @ 3,548158
38 Croat+Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,553901
39 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,554731
40 Ket+Korean+Lak+R,Moldova_South @ 3,560305
41 Nogais+Oroqen+Slovak+Uygur @ 3,565633
42 Avar+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,571376
43 Kumyks+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,576661
44 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,578754
45 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Turk_Greece @ 3,583084
46 Dargin+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,58749
47 Bosnian+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,595213
48 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Ukrainian @ 3,598195
49 Kumyks+Kyrgyz+Oroqen+Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,605732
50 HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean+Ossetian @ 3,607712
51 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,610823
52 Ket+Korean+Lak+Turk_Greece @ 3,611244
53 Avar+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,611348
54 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Macedonia @ 3,615132
55 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Pomak @ 3,615161
56 Ket+Korean+Lezgin+Romanians @ 3,617495
57 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak+Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 3,620179
58 Bosnian+Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,625211
59 Bosnian+Kyrgyz+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,640308
60 Korean+Qumuq+Selkup+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,646359
86504404 iterations.

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Nogai with 45% mongoloid? That is actually very big amount of east eurasian even for Nogai.
Imo it is very important to tell sth about the history of your family regarding genetics but aren’t they natives already. We once had here a result with obviously Tatar background.

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One type of Nogai is over 40% Mongoloid another is around 25%, sometimes as low as 20. I do not know how to tell them apart (other from genetics) but obviously there are 2 different groups with the same name otherwise I doubt there would be such a big difference in the same group

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

Nogay. Crimea -> Dobruja -> Anatolia

y-DNA: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M478/

https://i.ibb.co/VNQxbvf/nogay.jpg

Code:

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Karakalpak @ 8,419448
2 Uzbek @ 13,046761
3 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 13,104901
4 Kazakh @ 15,274515
5 Uygur @ 16,194346
6 Bashkir @ 16,72267
7 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 18,279725
8 Hazara @ 19,084544
9 Kyrgyz @ 19,533409
10 Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 20,757812
11 Nogais @ 26,119795
12 Uzbeks @ 28,715708
13 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 29,151063
14 Yoruk @ 29,165221
15 Turkmen_Iran @ 29,720728
16 Altai @ 30,252289
17 Turk_Northwest @ 31,103723
18 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 32,387149
19 Turkmens @ 32,451239
20 Tajiks @ 32,485532
21 Turk_Southwest @ 32,621374
22 Rus_Pinega @ 32,700214
23 Mari @ 33,905332
24 Mongol @ 33,912591
25 Turk_Bulgaria @ 34,065894
26 Udmurt @ 34,777655
27 Pamiri_Shughnan @ 34,837973
28 Yagnobi @ 34,956702
29 Turk_West_BlackSea @ 34,993693
30 Pamiri_Rushan @ 35,240101
335 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak @ 4,770161
2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh @ 4,77375
3 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kyrgyz @ 5,560363
4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 6,215821
5 Karakalpak+Uzbek @ 7,367021
6 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Uygur @ 7,863796
7 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 7,885111
8 Kazakh+Uzbek @ 7,994195
9 Mongol+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,114817
10 Kazakh+Nogais @ 8,123219
11 Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 8,271884
12 Karakalpak+Karakalpak @ 8,419448
13 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 8,423815
14 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Hazara @ 8,720328
15 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,741879
16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Kyrgyz @ 8,911536
17 Kazakh+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 8,919221
18 Kyrgyz+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,953308
19 Bashkir+Uygur @ 8,960296
20 Karakalpak+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 9,211075
21 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Mongol @ 9,220672
22 Bashkir+Karakalpak @ 9,339194
23 Altai+Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 9,344107
24 Mongol+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 9,377959
25 Bulgarian+Mongol @ 9,592672
26 Gagauz+Mongol @ 9,694918
27 Mongol+Pomak @ 9,695233
28 Mongol+Turk_Greece @ 9,736249
29 Mongol+Romanians @ 9,819193
30 Altai+Turk_Bulgaria @ 9,833959
56280 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kazakh +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 3,208146
2 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Ossetian @ 3,793423
3 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Hezhen @ 3,850046
4 50% Bashkir +25% Mongola +25% Ossetian @ 3,927515
5 50% Kyrgyz +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 3,946563
6 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 3,960473
7 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Balkar +25% Bashkir @ 4,036909
8 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 4,038591
9 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bashkir +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 4,041452
10 50% Bashkir +25% Karachay +25% Mongola @ 4,069752
11 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Mongola @ 4,095293
12 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Karachay @ 4,101446
13 50% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,110449
14 50% Karakalpak +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% Kazakh @ 4,115837
15 50% Kazakh +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 4,141758
16 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Ingush @ 4,155843
17 50% Karakalpak +25% Bulgarian +25% Kyrgyz @ 4,15737
18 50% Karakalpak +25% Kazakh +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,188157
19 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 4,195193
20 50% Karakalpak +25% Karakalpak +25% Nogais @ 4,198575
21 50% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,23804
22 50% Bashkir +25% Ossetian +25% Xibo @ 4,23886
23 50% Bashkir +25% Balkar +25% Hezhen @ 4,249611
24 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz @ 4,251028
25 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bulgarians +25% Uzbek @ 4,254552
26 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Daur @ 4,270433
27 50% Bashkir +25% Daur +25% Ossetian @ 4,283566
28 50% Karakalpak +25% Bulgarian +25% Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 4,293773
29 50% Bashkir +25% Balkar +25% Mongola @ 4,303427
30 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Bashkir +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 4,306929
10803782 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,033894
2 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,133439
3 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,2054
4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kazakh+Nogais @ 3,208146
5 Dargin+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,261588
6 Ket+Korean+Lak+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,275587
7 Avar+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,27591
8 Ket+Korean+Lak+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,289879
9 Hazara+Hungarians+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,296091
10 Avar+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,309217
11 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 3,318868
12 HUN_Szekely+Ingush+Ket+Korean @ 3,348606
13 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,367688
14 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 3,370286
15 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 3,37492
16 HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean+Kumyks @ 3,377004
17 Ket+Korean+Tabasaran+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,392301
18 Avar_Dagestan+Korean+Selkup+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,430671
19 HUN_Szekely+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,43287
20 Dargin+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,437605
21 Avar_Dagestan+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,442478
22 Croat+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,458789
23 Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz+Tabasaran @ 3,464015
24 Gagauz+Ket+Korean+Lak @ 3,474942
25 Bosnian+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,481901
26 Nogais+Oroqen+Slovenian+Uygur @ 3,482223
27 Kumyks+Kyrgyz+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,49168
28 Karachay+Komi+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,492521
29 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Greece @ 3,505
30 Chechen+HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean @ 3,507987
31 Avar+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,508751
32 Hungarians+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,510524
33 Hezhen+Mari+Nogais+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 3,522946
34 HUN_Szekely+Kyrgyz+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,524091
35 HUN_Szekely+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,525926
36 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Slovenian @ 3,538175
37 Circassian+HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean @ 3,548158
38 Croat+Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,553901
39 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,554731
40 Ket+Korean+Lak+R,Moldova_South @ 3,560305
41 Nogais+Oroqen+Slovak+Uygur @ 3,565633
42 Avar+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,571376
43 Kumyks+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,576661
44 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,578754
45 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Turk_Greece @ 3,583084
46 Dargin+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,58749
47 Bosnian+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,595213
48 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Ukrainian @ 3,598195
49 Kumyks+Kyrgyz+Oroqen+Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,605732
50 HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean+Ossetian @ 3,607712
51 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,610823
52 Ket+Korean+Lak+Turk_Greece @ 3,611244
53 Avar+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,611348
54 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Macedonia @ 3,615132
55 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Pomak @ 3,615161
56 Ket+Korean+Lezgin+Romanians @ 3,617495
57 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak+Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 3,620179
58 Bosnian+Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,625211
59 Bosnian+Kyrgyz+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,640308
60 Korean+Qumuq+Selkup+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,646359
86504404 iterations.

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Interesting, they are clustering with Central Asian Kipchaks.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

One type of Nogai is over 40% Mongoloid another is around 25%, sometimes as low as 20. I do not know how to tell them apart (other from genetics) but obviously there are 2 different groups with the same name otherwise I doubt there would be such a big difference in the same group

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I know that there are two kinds of Nogais but i wouldn’t expect this kind of differences and that amount of mongoloid Dna.

The guy from the Iraqi project is really impressing me with how he can find individuals from certain minority populations and test them.

He recently tested two Assyrians(Chaldean Catholics) from Suleymaniyya in Northeastern Iraq, the native Assyrians there probably number less than 500.
The first two are uncle/nephew or grandfather/grandson. The third one is more distantly related to them.

Gedrosia 18.18 Pct
Siberian 1.68 Pct
Northwest_African 1.52 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 12.79 Pct
North_European 1.61 Pct
South_Asian 0.38 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 19.84 Pct
East_Asian 0.18 Pct
Caucasus 43.82 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Spoiler!

Assyrian_Suleymaniyya1
3.96940802 Assyrian_South
4.00361087 Iraqi_Jew
4.15561067 Assyrian_West
4.42512147 Assyrian_North
4.45838536 Mandean
6.73484966 Uzbekistan_Jews
7.20360327 Nusayri_Turkey
7.37877361 Armenian_West
8.70848437 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.83267796 Iranian_Jews
9.51536652 Azerbaijan_Jews
9.79560616 Turkmen_Iraq
9.95782105 Lebanese
10.25568623 Armenian_East
10.26343510 Turk_East
10.42847065 Georgia_Jews
11.18435067 Palestinian_Christian
11.26152299 Zaza
11.48663136 Syria_SW_Christian
11.65728528 Druze
11.78263977 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.80333427 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.81451226 Turk_Southeast
12.05990879 Kurd_Sorani
12.25717749 Greek_Cappadocia

Gedrosia 16.69 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.70 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.96 Pct
North_European 1.90 Pct
South_Asian 2.19 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 19.96 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.60 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Spoiler!

Assyrian_Suleymaniyya2
2.33225213 Assyrian_South
2.34121763 Assyrian_West
2.58687070 Assyrian_North
4.64067883 Iraqi_Jew
5.13393611 Armenian_West
5.90320252 Mandean
6.03103640 Azerbaijan_Jews
6.20672216 Uzbekistan_Jews
6.40588792 Iranian_Jews
6.51947851 Georgia_Jews
8.24459217 Armenian_East
8.82541217 Nusayri_Turkey
9.27572639 Druze
10.21212515 Turk_East
10.90024770 Lebanese
10.96028740 Greek_Pontus
11.09298427 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.60193949 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.81917510 Palestinian_Christian
11.90577171 Turk_East_Black_Sea
11.99715800 Greek_Cappadocia
12.19345316 Turkmen_Iraq
12.30461296 Syria_SW_Christian
12.54807953 Zaza
13.19389253 Hemshin

Gedrosia 16.88 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.30 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.84 Pct
Atlantic_Med 12.63 Pct
North_European 1.73 Pct
South_Asian 0.34 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 20.23 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.06 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Spoiler!

Assyrian_Suleymaniyya3
2.24254320 Assyrian_West
2.67972013 Assyrian_South
2.98251572 Assyrian_North
4.47294087 Iraqi_Jew
5.21886961 Armenian_West
6.23734719 Mandean
6.96576629 Azerbaijan_Jews
7.11813880 Uzbekistan_Jews
7.31832631 Iranian_Jews
7.68845238 Georgia_Jews
7.78041130 Nusayri_Turkey
8.70366589 Armenian_East
9.36117514 Druze
10.56942761 Turk_East
10.57070953 Lebanese
11.12243678 Palestinian_Christian
11.13622467 Greek_Cappadocia
11.32204045 Greek_Pontus
11.46031413 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.57612198 Syria_SW_Christian
12.08331494 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.36205485 Turkmen_Iraq
12.46658333 Turk_East_Black_Sea
12.98247280 Zaza
13.29833824 Syrians

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

I know that there are two kinds of Nogais but i wouldn’t expect this kind of differences and that amount of mongoloid Dna.

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Well remember Nogais like other Kipchaks have strong Mongol influence. Remember original Nogai horde is founded by Mongol tribes anyway so its expected. I don't have a citation for how much of them today are from it but its probably 50% mongol origin. Obviously they were 90% or more Mongoloid so after mixing with turks and other locals it balanced out to 40-45

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

Nogay. Crimea -> Dobruja -> Anatolia

y-DNA: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M478/

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Is that a second generation person? How else could he have stayed so Mongoloid in a Turkish province? I think that sample has been shared here a few times before. 45% EE is insanely high!

These are also really interesting. Shabakis are from around Mosul and speak an Iranian language(Gorani) related to the Kurdish spoken around them but distinct from it. From what I've gathered the original Kurds of Northern Iraq spoke originally something similar to Gorani before shifting to Sorani and Kurmanji. Today many Shabaks inhabit the same settlements as the Assyrians around Mosul.

Gedrosia 26.14 Pct
Siberian 2.05 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.16 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.61 Pct
North_European 6.21 Pct
South_Asian 3.82 Pct
East_African 0.47 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.03 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 38.50 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Spoiler!

Shabak1
3.46805421 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.48270010 Lur_Iran
3.56927163 Kurd_Sorani
4.21996445 Iranian
4.72253110 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.99805962 Zaza
5.46207836 Kurd_KAZ
5.51192344 Iranian_Fars
5.83312952 Turkmen_Iraq
5.99879988 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.61047305 Azerbaijani
8.20639385 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.57700997 Iran_Mazandaran
9.92226789 Turk_Southeast
10.34401759 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.58306666 Iran_Khorasan
10.70448971 Uzbekistan_Jews
10.82264293 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.91830525 Turk_East
12.53255361 Mandean
12.96368389 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.19711711 Turk_Central_East
13.98741577 Turk_South
14.23031272 Assyrian_North
14.49267056 Assyrian_South

Gedrosia 21.61 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.23 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.78 Pct
North_European 3.76 Pct
South_Asian 4.45 Pct
East_African 0.44 Pct
Southwest_Asian 15.24 Pct
East_Asian 0.73 Pct
Caucasus 40.77 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Spoiler!

Shabak2
5.04658300 Turkmen_Iraq
5.47719819 Kurd_Sorani
5.60217815 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.90589536 Zaza
7.26911274 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.35106795 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.42566495 Uzbekistan_Jews
7.71390303 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.72833100 Mandean
7.77099736 Lur_Iran
8.31012034 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.44340571 Azerbaijani
8.62393182 Turk_Southeast
8.95622130 Kurd_KAZ
8.97353331 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.07946034 Turk_East
9.39617475 Assyrian_South
9.40674226 Assyrian_North
9.91804416 Assyrian_West
9.92806628 Iranian
10.19548429 Iranian_Fars
10.41885790 Iraqi_Jew
11.17014324 Turk_Central_East
11.22847274 Armenian_West
11.80294031 Armenian_East

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Well remember Nogais like other Kipchaks have strong Mongol influence. Remember original Nogai horde is founded by Mongol tribes anyway so its expected. I don't have a citation for how much of them today are from it but its probably 50% mongol origin. Obviously they were 90% or more Mongoloid so after mixing with turks and other locals it balanced out to 40-45

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Yes i know, Central Asian Kipchaks are like Turkic/Mongol mix but i thought Nogais are mostly, depending on which group, between 50-80% Turkic and 20-50% North Caucasian.