Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

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04-16-2021, 04:14 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

How is that possible? Does he/she have a Azerbaijani or Dagestani ancestry? Or maybe one of those lezgin or chechens who got assimilated?
Btw for some reason South Asia score is missing.

Some interesting 2 way results:
Distance to: syrian
3.12522967 51.20% Dargin + 48.80% Syrian_Muslim
3.31274110 36.40% Jordanian_Muslim + 63.60% Lezgin
3.34351657 53.60% Avar + 46.40% Syrian_Muslim
3.37960420 63.00% Lezgin + 37.00% Palestinian
3.38929324 45.40% Syrian_Muslim + 54.60% Tabasaran
3.40497248 59.60% Lezgin + 40.40% Syrian_Muslim

this is the result I forgot East African:

Gedrosia: 21.86
Siberian: 1.80
NW_African: 0.45
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.13
North_European: 14.67
South Asian: 2.14
East_African: 0.22
SW_Asian: 12.50
East_Asian: 1.86
Caucasus: 35.36
SSA: 0.00

the calculator just picks Azerbaijani-Dagestan if the northeuro is higher. This is a common effect I noticed on all Iranian results with higher north_euro. It doesnt mean the person has Dagestani ancestry (although it still could be a possibility for some.)
04-16-2021, 04:22 PM
Leto

The other Kurd you mentioned is the one from the West Asian study? How do you know his tribe? He wasn't even labeled a Kurd, we just guessed it because the dataset is from Syria. Unlike this new one that one was clearly unmixed.
04-16-2021, 04:33 PM
Sterling Archer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

this is the result I forgot East African:

the calculator just picks Azerbaijani-Dagestan if the northeuro is higher. This is a common effect I noticed on all Iranian results with higher north_euro. It doesnt mean the person has Dagestani ancestry (although it still could be a possibility for some.)

Yeah, I understand that due to the high NE the calculator picks Dagestan, and that it does not necessarily mean much. But it does indicate that it is an anomaly. In this case NE is just too pronounced for the region that this person is from.

I deleted the previous 2Way as it was incorrect due to East Africa. After fixing it, North European thing becomes even more noticeable. This is what I get now. Maybe north European great grandparent or again, some form of Dagestani:

Distance to: kurd_syria
1.64640148 12.20% Finnish_East + 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.71959094 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% Russian_Northern_Dvina
1.72801736 87.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.80% Veps
1.76082052 85.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.80% Mordovian
1.77341701 12.60% Karelian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.81305844 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.20% Latvian
1.82015625 86.00% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.00% Russian_Kostroma
1.83019859 85.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.40% Russian_Ural
1.87813428 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% North_Russian
1.91394854 86.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.80% Russian_Tver
1.94805156 87.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.40% Lithuanian
2.01451379 12.60% Estonian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.04166410 12.60% Finnish_West + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.05586150 85.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.60% Russian_Ryazan
04-16-2021, 04:38 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

The other Kurd you mentioned is the one from the West Asian study? How do you know his tribe? He wasn't even labeled a Kurd, we just guessed it because the dataset is from Syria. Unlike this new one that one was clearly unmixed.

Someone from a kurdish site mentioned that prior kurdish NE-record (of their group) was from the same tribe. I assumed it was that result. But you are right it probably isn't then.

According to the person he is 100% Kurdish.
04-16-2021, 05:01 PM
Zoro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Yeah, I understand that due to the high NE the calculator picks Dagestan, and that it does not necessarily mean much. But it does indicate that it is an anomaly. In this case NE is just too pronounced for the region that this person is from.

I deleted the previous 2Way as it was incorrect due to East Africa. After fixing it, North European thing becomes even more noticeable. This is what I get now. Maybe north European great grandparent or again, some form of Dagestani:

Distance to: kurd_syria
1.64640148 12.20% Finnish_East + 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.71959094 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% Russian_Northern_Dvina
1.72801736 87.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.80% Veps
1.76082052 85.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.80% Mordovian
1.77341701 12.60% Karelian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.81305844 87.80% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.20% Latvian
1.82015625 86.00% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.00% Russian_Kostroma
1.83019859 85.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.40% Russian_Ural
1.87813428 86.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.40% North_Russian
1.91394854 86.20% Kurd_Kurmanji + 13.80% Russian_Tver
1.94805156 87.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 12.40% Lithuanian
2.01451379 12.60% Estonian + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.04166410 12.60% Finnish_West + 87.40% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.05586150 85.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 14.60% Russian_Ryazan

It has nothing to do with a Dagestani ancestry. There’s quite a bit of variation in kurds as you will find out when you start seeing alot of kurd results.

For example this 100% kurd from Iraq whose parents and grandparents are very well known to me from the Balata tribe has this result. It has nothing to do with a NE European recent ancestor. They’ll laugh at you if you even suggest it

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.15
2 Gedrosia 24.54
3 Southwest_Asian 14.38
4 North_European 9.81
5 Atlantic_Med 5.98
6 South_Asian 2.82
7 Northwest_African 1.51
8 Southeast_Asian 1.27
9 East_Asian 0.65
10 Siberian 0.56
11 Sub_Saharan 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.18
2 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 6.24
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 6.37
4 Iranians (Behar) 8.15
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 10.12
6 Turks (Behar) 13.17
7 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.37
8 Turkish (Dodecad) 15.42
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 16.25
10 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 16.57
11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 16.61
12 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.88
13 Assyrian (Dodecad) 17.19
14 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.78
15 Lebanese (Behar) 18.04
16 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 18.15
17 Armenian (Dodecad) 19.06
18 Syrians (Behar) 19.91
19 Lezgins (Behar) 20.57
20 Druze (HGDP) 22.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.9% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 27.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.05
2 91.7% Kurd (Dodecad) + 8.3% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.23
3 92.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.6% Belorussian (Behar) @ 3.31
4 92.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 3.33
5 92.2% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.8% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.34
6 93% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.34
7 92.3% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.35
8 93.3% Kurd (Dodecad) + 6.7% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 3.4
9 92.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.5% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.5
10 93.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 6.5% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.53
11 88.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 11.9% Romanians (Behar) @ 3.53
12 92.2% Kurd (Dodecad) + 7.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.54
13 93.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 6.6% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.55
14 87.6% Kurd (Dodecad) + 12.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 3.57
15 90.9% Kurd (Dodecad) + 9.1% Hungarians (Behar) @ 3.65
16 88.3% Kurd (Dodecad) + 11.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.68
17 93.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.5% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.74
18 92.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.74
19 93.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.4% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.75
20 92.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.84
04-16-2021, 05:22 PM
Sterling Archer

@Zoro Yeah, outliers are to be expected, especially for such a large ethnic group. The person Kyp posted is probably one of them.

I thought about Dagestanis mainly because I remembered the article Ratcat (RIP:() posted about lezgin and chechen who moved to that area and assimilated into the local population.
04-16-2021, 05:23 PM
Sterling Archer

Btw, where the hell is Ratcat? Why was he banned? He is always so civil.
04-16-2021, 05:59 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Btw, where the hell is Ratcat? Why was he banned? He is always so civil.

He and itilvolga got banned after some doxxing incident (revealing personal information).
04-16-2021, 06:16 PM
Dr_Maul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

He and itilvolga got banned after some doxxing incident (revealing personal information).

an incident, which if I am not mistaken, was completely fabricated.
04-16-2021, 06:39 PM
Sterling Archer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

He and itilvolga got banned after some doxxing incident (revealing personal information).

Do you know whether the ban is permanent?

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