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blogen
Do not lie about the Hungarian historians! Every Hungarian laughing on you retard, after this Almish bullshit, because all of the important names in the Emese/Álmos legend are similar: from the attribution of origin!
Ügyek from the üdv magyar word, means: blissful (ancestor)
Emese from the ene magyar word, means: mother (ancestress)
Álmos from the álom magyar word, means: dream
The Álmos - Almish is accidental, because of this. Only a non Hungarian speaker starts lunatic etymologization in this case! :D
It's a typical legend with mythical persons. Hovewer, these persons lived once. We don't know their actual name, except Álmos, because this was a historical name, but his fathers and mothers name are not. The father was a Magyar leader, while the mother was presumably a Kabar princess (the Kabars were exiled Khorezmians) and this was the reason of the lot of similarities in the Árpád-house legends and the Khoresmian legends and history. Basically the ancestral legend of the Árpád-house was Emese heritage from Khorezm with a little actualization to the new situation. Presumably she was an ambitiosus women in a good time and place, since the Magyars arise then and conquered the South Russian steppe (Etelköz = Subbotci culture).
You explain your problem not to me, explain them to historians.
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The Almush form which circulated at large was the extension by the publisher of the Arab text. Comparison with Turkic data effectively narrows the reading down to Almish. Its literal meaning is ‘the taken’ from al- and ‘to take’. The expression el almish ‘to take or acquire an empire’ also occurs as a Turkic name (read as II almish). The only remaining problem regarding the Bulghar name has since been solved, since in a Chuvash-type language the Common Turkic /sh/ phoneme should regularly correspond to /1/. Hence, the *Almil form should be expected. But there is no III in the modern Chuvash form of the Turkic word jemish ‘fruit’. Instead there is /sy/, and the word has the form syimesy. The Chuvash form and the Hungarian gyiimolcs ‘fruit’ derive via an intermediate form *jemich from the form *jemish. Whether the name contained Almich or Almish, the Arab author wrote it as Almish.
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The name of Almos, father of Arpad, occurs in two mutually independent sources: as Almuch (Almouts) in Porphyrogenitus and Almush in the Hungarian chronicler Anonymous. The name later occurs with Prince Almos, brother o f King Coloman (died in 1127), and so it was certainly a living name in the house of Arpad. It is, of course, quite impossible to conceive of a relation between the Volga Bulghar ruler, even via legend, and the ancestor of the Magyar house of Arpad. The name Almish was known on the Eastern European steppe, however. Anonymous’s explanation that the name o f Almos derives from the Magyar word alom, ‘dream ’, is a folk etymological invention typical of the Nameless One. Not a single vowel of the name of the Volga Bulghar ruler’s father is given. The initial sh- is highly suggestive, however. Whatever the reading of the word is (and the first syllable can only be i or long a), the word is Chuvash-type.
That's not me who pretends it, understand fucker?