Was Haplogroup R originally mongoloid?

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10-24-2017, 10:43 PM
Harkonnen

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

I am more similar to Mari??

Sorry, but my country is 55% haplogroup I2 (proto-European).

55% of citizens of my country, their paternal ancestors are first settlers in Europe :) Along with I1.

So i am not similar to Mari. We have less then 25% of the R in average. So we are not similar to Mari's. (Not genetically, also not lingusitically)

While Finnish language is very close to Turkic. By origin.

Better for you to have indo-european influence, then Turkic!

But you are more proud with your similarity with the Turks.

I was not talking about y-dna. Some recent studies put I1 and I2 in Finland to about 45%, but my point was that I1 in Finns is likely about 1500-2000 years old. The population which brought it was likely Germanic speaking and likewise I would presume it was autosomally more like modern let's say Scandinavians than modern Finns. As the genetic distance between Finns and Germanics is huge, to me it looks likely that this population left it's mark mostly on the y-side rather than the autosomal side.

Yes you are autosomally more similar to Mari than you are to me:

http://i65.tinypic.com/2lk49ch.jpg
10-24-2017, 10:48 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Harkonnen

I was not talking about y-dna. Some recent studies put I1 and I2 in Finland to about 45%, but my point was that I1 in Finns is likely about 1500-2000 years old. The population which brought it was likely Germanic speaking and likewise I would presume it was autosomally more like modern let's say Scandinavians than modern Finns. As the genetic distance between Finns and Germanics is huge, to me it looks likely that this population left it's mark mostly on the y-side rather than the autosomal side.

Yes you are autosomally more similar to Mari than you are to me:

http://i65.tinypic.com/2lk49ch.jpg

You made me on the bottom of the scale, even you don't know my haplogroup.

About autosomal, we have nothing common with Mari's.

Sorry but i am acutally destroying you in facts:

https://i.imgur.com/2ufwMeL.png

Autosomal studies.

We have literally nothing autosomal with Saami's. Deal with it.
10-24-2017, 10:52 PM
Harkonnen

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

You made me on the bottom of the scale, even you don't know my haplogroup.

About autosomal, we have nothing common with Mari's.

Sorry but i am acutally destroying you in facts:

https://i.imgur.com/2ufwMeL.png

Autosomal studies.

We have literally nothing autosomal with Saami's. Deal with it.

Dude I am quickly loosing my patience with you. You are fucking dumb as a brick. Just go freaking shoot yourself you fucking moron.
10-24-2017, 10:59 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Harkonnen

Dude I am quickly loosing my patience with you. You are fucking dumb as a brick. Just go freaking shoot yourself you fucking moron.

Your bullshits have nothing to do with science. You just represent some bullshits without proofs. what autosomal dna'???

THAT IS A AUTOSOMAL DNA WHICH I POSTED TO YOU.
10-24-2017, 11:04 PM
Harkonnen

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

Your bullshits have nothing to do with science. You just represent some bullshits without proofs. what autosomal dna'???

THAT IS A AUTOSOMAL DNA WHICH I POSTED TO YOU.

You posted some ancient eurogenes plitplot which was done with faulty and outdated methods with delibarate twisting of data. I have no time to have discussions with some fucking illiterate nimcamboob.
10-24-2017, 11:07 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Harkonnen

You posted some ancient eurogenes plitplot which was done with faulty and outdated methods with delibarate twisting of data. I have no time to have discussions with some fucking illiterate nimcamboob.

Not ancient. It is a modern autosomal DNA.

When you draw for yourself in Finnland photo.

How can me, from Balkan be similar to Maris? Or Saamis?

Are you really crazy or what??

Mostly of my ancestors are of native European origin. They never been in contact with Maris or Saamis.

You are very uneducated man.
10-24-2017, 11:13 PM
Harkonnen

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

Not ancient. It is a modern autosomal DNA.

When you draw for yourself in Finnland photo.

How can me, from Balkan be similar to Maris? Or Saamis?

Are you really crazy or what??

Mostly of my ancestors are of native European origin. They never been in contact with Maris or Saamis.

You are very uneducated man.

Shoot yourself you freaking idiot. I never even said that you are similar to Saamis. You freak just made that up in your freaking worm-infested brain. I said that you are more similar to Maris than you are to me. I NEVER SAID THAT YOU ARE EXTREMELY CLOSE GENETICALLY TO MARIS

JUST THAT YOU ARE MORE SIMILAR TO THEM THAN YOU ARE TO ME

READ THESE SENTENCES ABOUT 100 TIMES AND MAYBE YOU WILL FINALLY GET IT
10-24-2017, 11:16 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Harkonnen

Shoot yourself you freaking idiot. I never even said that you are similar to Saamis. You freak just made that up in your freaking worm-infested brain. I said that you are more similar to Maris than you are to me. I NEVER SAID THAT YOU ARE EXTREMELY CLOSE GENETICALLY TO MARIS

JUST THAT YOU ARE MORE SIMILAR TO THEM THAN YOU ARE TO ME

READ THESE SENTENCES ABOUT 100 TIMES AND MAYBE YOU WILL FINALLY GET IT

Idiot. Why you are even explaining me that bullshit??

Where did i even say that i am similar to you?
10-24-2017, 11:39 PM
cosmoo

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Originally Posted by Harkonnen

You fucking monkey, no matter how many times you repeat this lie, it does not make it true. Oase was NO. Fact.

No reliable source lists it as NO. It belongs to a dead clade, since NO was already formed back in then. Ust Ishim men and other Siberians back in then were forefathers of NO.
It is extremely pathetic that you rely on a single skull which is not what you claim it is, being unable to debunk the fact that clades ancestral to Finnic N1c1 live in Siberia, as well as Mesolithic ancient DNA samples from the north which firmly contradict everything you said so far.
10-24-2017, 11:42 PM
Harkonnen

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Originally Posted by cosmoo

No reliable source lists it as NO. It belongs to a dead clade, since NO was already formed back in then. Ust Ishim men and other Siberians back in then were forefathers of NO.
It is extremely pathetic that you rely on a single skull which is not what you claim it is, being unable to debunk the fact that clades ancestral to Finnic N1c1 live in Siberia, as well as Mesolithic ancient DNA samples from the north which firmly contradict everything you said so far.

You fucking retard there are at least 2 legit studies which list it as NO, and I've posted you the links at least dozen times already.

Now fuckoff moron.

Also the ancestral clades of Siberian N1c1 are found in European Russia.

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