Eurogenes K36 Similarity Tool Map

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Originally Posted by Percivalle

Of course you're right. Similarity plots don't produce similar phenotypes. Anyway he doesn't look Austrian to me.

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He doesn't, that's my point.

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Originally Posted by Era

He doesn't, that's my point.

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In fact I agree with you.

https://image.ibb.co/kJttNv/2017_07_...Similitude.png
https://image.ibb.co/fvajUa/2017_07_...Similitude.png
https://image.ibb.co/mUs9vF/2017_07_...Similitude.png

Looks like my closest genetic cousins are Egyptians, Southern Levantines, Iraqis, Cypriots and other MENA peoples.

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Originally Posted by Era

Not just that, there's a lot of factors at play. Plotting of different populations is not related to their phenotypes even when they plot similar. It would be like saying Rn97 looks Austrian cause he plots there.

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Originally Posted by Percivalle

Of course you're right, there's a lot of factors at play that hardly are caught by a PCA based on the entire genome. Similarity plots don't produce similar phenotypes, that's quite true. Anyway he doesn't look Austrian to me.

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Originally Posted by Era

He doesn't, that's my point.

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Originally Posted by Percivalle

In fact I agree with you.

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Thanks for circle-jerking for 4 acutal posts about how I don't look Austrian for no god damn reason. I've never once claimed that I do. I'm sure those Austrians are too damn nordic for a nigger like me.....

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Originally Posted by Percivalle

That simply doesn't represent well the variability of north Italians, especially of the north-eastern Italians. I've surely seen more Italian results than you, trust me.

For the rest I can't give a fuck of any comparison with Martians, Vesuvians or Iberians: genetics of populations uses the whole genome and PCA chart includes the SNPs that are in the non-coding regions invisible to the eyes, while phenotypes are controlled by very few SNPs subject to sexual selection.




Swiss Italians should be more northwestern than Bergamo-Italians. If a PCA shows that they are more northeastern, well that PCA isn't that good.

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Sometimes, you're annoying as hell. I just asked you what you think was wrong with the sample, you don't need to chimp out. I didn't even compare Italians to Iberians. I don't give a damn about your petty, idiotic internet war. I know pretty damn well that a PCA doesn't reflect phenotype always. I never claimed so. I discussed genetics, not phenotype. BTW that PCA puts me closest to Croats by far, then Bosnians closely followed by Austrians
http://i.imgur.com/EGyv758.png
Most often genetics do in fact reflect phenotype as well. It doesn't make sense that someone would be genetically close, but look totally different. You simply can't find examples of this. If you do, it's quite rare and environment is often the cause. Most that plot together, also look like each other. In my case I might have inherited some dominant features from my mom or dad that doesn't exactly make me look identical to the populations I plot with. However, overall a PCA plot that would only use phenotype SNPs would probably look mostly similar to one that does not. That's just reality and the exceptions are irrelevant as a rule always has exceptions, it doesn't make it invalid.

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Originally Posted by RN97

I know pretty damn well that a PCA doesn't reflect phenotype always. I never claimed so. I discussed genetics, not phenotype.
Most often genetics do in fact reflect phenotype as well. It doesn't make sense that someone would be genetically close, but look totally different.

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Make up your mind mkkay

The similarity usually occurs between individuals of the same population because of the SNP segments inherited, actual physical inheritance. I brought you as an example to illustrate how plotting doesn't mean anything if the said SNP contributing are from a different stock. ( also cause you were talking to him and Percivalle made that argument)

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Originally Posted by Big Boss

Xenophobicprussian is a retard with zero credibility. He was debunked already by the JAZ1(Montenegro Bronze Age sample) graph who was nowhere near North Italians, but to Bulgarians, Albanians and Greeks.
Plotting close with North Italians does not have much if anything to do with Illyrians at all.

If you actually read my posts there and not Xenophobicprussians shit, then you should have seen me debunking him:

http://i.imgur.com/8Lgw3Ae.png

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It doesnt plot with Albanians, it plot with Bulgarians who are more north than you and some other Albanians here and even on that map its more northern than those Albanians used. Just look at the map , dude. I plot west of Bulgarian average on k15. You guys are even more south than Kosovo average.

Youre not gonna plot with Jaz1 or even Bulgarians. I might and so might some other Albanians like ChocolateFace. On that ANE map Ibericus plotted me, Bulgarian average is north of me.

North italian is a broad term.. there are different areas. I plot just slight south and east of the average.

Didnt say it plots with Northern Italians but east of them which doesnt even look to be on that map.

Plotting with Northern Italians has nothing to do with Ilyrians, said who? By some people who plot more south than Iberians who you call Moors?

For what do I need to read your posts? Some of you are even more south than Tuscans and even mainland Greeks.

Lol you need to open your eyes, that Jaz1 plots similar to me or even more north. Its plotting north of Tuscans and Albanians there. Just look at where it says TUS. Its north of Tuscans. You, skerdi and others are not even north of Tuscany.

Lol @ thinking this thing will plot with you Lmao

It plots east of French. Northern Italy isnt there from the looks but it would plot east of northern italy or with them.

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Originally Posted by Era

Make up your mind mkkay

The similarity usually occurs between individuals of the same population because of the SNP segments inherited, actual physical inheritance. I brought you as an example to illustrate how plotting doesn't mean anything if the said SNP contributing are from a different stock. ( also cause you were talking to him and Percivalle made that argument)

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It's not like European groups are a totally different "stock". You know little what you're talking about. First of all if it's that incredibly hard to understand what you quoted me, I'll make it into one simple sentence using about the same words;
" know pretty damn well that a PCA doesn't reflect phenotype always, however most often genetics do in fact reflect phenotype as well" Only added one word, get it now?
Central Europeans are pretty much formed about the same way I was. The difference is only some 2-6k years difference and it's not like there is anything drastically different today. Have Romanians evolved horns in that time? What makes you think that the "stocks" are so different than from when the Austrians were formed from various European tribes?

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Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena

Lol you need to open your eyes, that Jaz1 plots similar to me or even more north. Its plotting north of Tuscans and Albanians there. Just look at where it says TUS. Its north of Tuscans. You, skerdi and others are not even north of Tuscany.

Lol @ thinking this thing will plot with you Lmao

It plots east of French. Northern Italy isnt there from the looks but it would plot east of northern italy or with them.

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Actually Skerdi is very well north of Tuscany, inbetween Tuscany and Bulgarians where JAZ1 most likely plot. ;)

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Originally Posted by RN97

It's not like European groups are a totally different "stock". You know little what you're talking about. First of all if it's that incredibly hard to understand what you quoted me, I'll make it into one simple sentence using about the same words;
" know pretty damn well that a PCA doesn't reflect phenotype always, however most often genetics do in fact reflect phenotype as well" Only added one word, get it now?
Central Europeans are pretty much formed about the same way I was. The difference is only some 2-6k years difference and it's not like there is anything drastically different today. Have Romanians evolved horns in that time? What makes you think that the "stocks" are so different than from when the Austrians were formed from various European tribes?

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Components are not made equal, for example ANE has a different impact than WHG, makes for a different phenotype . You have just 3% non euro and it gives you a different look. Think about it.