Ashkenazi VS Sephardic IQ gap

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Originally Posted by Petalpusher

I don't think it's the culture. Averages are irelevant for "achievements", the 110/120 while very useful won't revolutionize anything, having a high average makes good functionning societies but it's the top 10/20/30 percentile that matters, although you can argue maybe in a way a high average enables the top percentile to function better in a safer, stable environement. Most of the economy is driven and controlled by top percentiles, while the 1/2% brings home nobels and generally fundamental advancements. East Asians only have higher averages but peak lower.

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Person with an IQ of 110 (rarity of 1 in 4) means that person is in the 75th percentile or in the top 25 percentile.
Person with and IQ of 120 (rarity of 1 in 11) means that person is in the 90.87 percentile or in the top 10 percentile. IQ of 135 is the 99th percentile or 1 in 100. The average nobel prize in physics laureate has an IQ of 159. That is the rarity of 1 in almost 24000 and is the 99.9958094411 percentile. I would say economy is led and general advancements made by the top 0.01 percentile. The rest are working bees.

As you have said the more important thing is in having the big number of high IQ people not the big average although it may or may not come hand in hand. AJs have about 4.5 times 140+ IQ people per capita then most other nations.

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Originally Posted by Wota fuq

Person with an IQ of 110 (rarity of 1 in 4) means that person is in the 75th percentile or in the top 25 percentile.
Person with and IQ of 120 (rarity of 1 in 11) means that person is in the 90.87 percentile or in the top 10 percentile. IQ of 135 is the 99th percentile or 1 in 100. The average nobel prize in physics laureate has an IQ of 159. That is the rarity of 1 in almost 24000 and is the 99.9958094411 percentile. I would say economy is led and general advancements made by the top 0.01 percentile. The rest are working bees.

As you have said the more important thing is in having the big number of high IQ people not the big average although it may or may not come hand in hand. AJs have about 4.5 times 140+ IQ people per capita then most other nations.

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I do believe for commerce, technology and arts, 120-130 can do wonders, some could be more grounded, inventive, social etc.. individuals can be gifted for music, litterature, trading, inventing stuff etc.. rather than just total math heads, so i wouldn't rule out anything other than really the highest percentile since you will mostly find them concentated in science fields and a fully "complete" nation cannot solely rely on that either.

Ashkenazi are always hard to compare, if you were to put them all back in a real nation like Israel (let's say) you would have a decent average but nothing extraordinary, it's 95 or something and yet you would have indeed a really significant portion of the population with extremely high IQ hidden in that average. Which would likely show the same for any other top IQ nation, if you were extracting even on some non ethnic random criterias a part of its population, like those who settled abroad for business for example...you would get a higher average and a higher proportion of top percentiles.

you want high i.q than look
at German Jews the purest aschenazi in German culture
and you get Einstein and Oppenheimer a machine lol :cool:
in Israel many of the people are mixed with Sephardi and mizrachi jews {no offense i my self mixed of those groups and i am saying the truth here even if it is hard to hear }
so a chance to find a full aschenazi is more in usa Jews than in Israel .
and even in Israel the high- tech is pretty good so there are some good apples
out there .

One of my best friends in Israel is a a Moroccan Jew with an IQ of 130. I don't know many Ashkenazis from Israel though so I cant compare.

i think it is a combination of genetics + environment
if Einstein would have grown in much backward place { in terms of technology , and culture } i doubt he would accomplished
what he did same goes for Oppenheimer and other German Jews who won noble prize or other prizes
i am not denying they are much more gifted than the average person but they have to grow in civilized culture environment to reach most of there potential .

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Originally Posted by kingjohn

i think it is a combination of genetics + environment
if Einstein would have grown in much backward place { in terms of technology , and culture } i doubt he would accomplished
what he did same goes for Oppenheimer and other German Jews who won noble prize or other prizes
i am not denying they are much more gifted than the average person but they have to grow in civilized culture environment to reach most of there potential .

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.אתה נכון גבר. אם אשכנזים מאיפה המזרח אני חושב הם יהיו אותו הדבר

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Originally Posted by kingjohn

i think it is a combination of genetics + environment
if Einstein would have grown in much backward place { in terms of technology , and culture } i doubt he would accomplished
what he did same goes for Oppenheimer and other German Jews who won noble prize or other prizes
i am not denying they are much more gifted than the average person but they have to grow in civilized culture environment to reach most of there potential .

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Einstein did grow up in a backwards place. Why do you think he left?

A great little quote from when Einstein presented his theory of relativity in France (translations vary):

“If I am proved correct, the Germans will call me a German, the Swiss will call me a Swiss citizen, and the French will call me a great scientist. If relativity is proved wrong, the French will call me a Swiss, the Swiss will call me a German, and the Germans will call me a Jew.

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Originally Posted by SkyBurn

Einstein did grow up in a backwards place. Why do you think he left?

A great little quote from when Einstein presented his theory of relativity in France (translations vary):

“If I am proved correct, the Germans will call me a German, the Swiss will call me a Swiss citizen, and the French will call me a great scientist. If relativity is proved wrong, the French will call me a Swiss, the Swiss will call me a German, and the Germans will call me a Jew.

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run a way from from Nazis he knew where the wind flow that's why he left ......
Germany was not a backward place at all it is not a village in Ukraine and not a cave in morocco central Europe
thanks for sharing his quote interesting anyhow :)
regards
adam

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Originally Posted by Wadaad

Sephardis saw the world, traded in maritime ventures and had agents in Amsterdam, Lisbon, the New World, Istanbul, etc. by the 1600s.

Ashkenazis were seen as ghetto-stuck hicks. Only Zionism (which was a movement that developed out of these e.european ghettoes) and the emancipation of Ashkenazi by the czar of Russia so they could migrate to Germany and France in the 1800s, improved things for ashkenazi...now they are trying to redress history and make those centuries of Ghetto-life some kind of IQ incubator/fuel...just lol.

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That's mostly true (bar German Jewish bankers), most people nowadays don't realise that Sephardim used to be on top.

If I'm not mistaken, when Oliver Cromwell decided to allow Jews back into Britain, the Sephardim tried to convince him not to let the Ashkenazim in, because they saw them as so backwards! :laugh:

Speaking as someone with some Sephardi ancestry (but more Ashkenazi) & with an IQ in the 99th percentile I'd say that IQ is bullshit. It doesn't test things like creativity. I also think it's cultural.