Arpad dynasty DNA (kings of Hungary & Croatia)

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

When will you realize man in your avatar is R1a ? The bitter irony...

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Don't bark on R1ethel. He is in Eupedia described as proto-Slav (M458).

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

Don't bark on R1ethel. He is in Eupedia described as proto-Slav (M458).

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some say he is the first R1 ever appeared on Earth and that he survived to this day to defend his progeny (r1theloids)

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Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky

How?

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Dr. Jovan Deretić. Serbian pseudo historian who propagate autochtonous Balkan origin of all Slavic groups, came out as R1a Z280 in DNA testing. So not a native at all :picard1:

But this is completely unrelated to topic...

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

some say he is the first R1 ever appeared on Earth and that he survived to this day to defend his progeny (r1theloids)

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The movie should be created: "The last knight of the R1 race".

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

If Arpad is truly Z93 branch of R1a, it should really mean he had Turkic roots. But if the was Z280 branch, it would mean something very different, as that is completely European subclade and most common among ordinary Hungarians today.

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Z93 = Aryans and Ugrics.

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Originally Posted by Turul Karom

Both can be arguably Turkic; it is the degree of Turkicness that is the debate. Not to mention, many Turkic peoples today have various different haplogroups including and outside of R1.

Regardless R1 is Eurasian in origin, and highlights the Asian origins ol that show prominently in our culture and history.

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But Z280 is common only in Europe, among Baltic, Slavic and Finno Ugric groups. They definitelly aren't turkic.

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Originally Posted by blogen

Z93 = Aryans and Ugrics.

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So you think Z280 wasn't original Ugric marker ?

I don't know why people dislike being Turks. I do attack modern Turks from Turkey because they are not real Turks but fake Turks.

Being Turk is awesome, great ancestry from Genghis Khan who butchered seas of people, scorched earth etc.. (I mean that's awesome reputation of Turkic Warlord)

But we have a problem of understanding Who is Turk and Who isn't.

There are many wannabe Turks.

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Originally Posted by Turul Karom

Both can be arguably Turkic; it is the degree of Turkicness that is the debate. Not to mention, many Turkic peoples today have various different haplogroups including and outside of R1.

Regardless R1 is Eurasian in origin, and highlights the Asian origins ol that show prominently in our culture and history.

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Z280 can't be Turkic in any case. Same as M458.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Dr. Jovan Deretić. Serbian pseudo historian who propagate autochtonous Balkan origin of all Slavic groups, came out as R1a Z280 in DNA testing. So not a native at all :picard1:

But this is completely unrelated to topic...

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This is Dzemal Bijedic in my Avatar... do not lie!

What Jovan Deretić? I've never heard for anyone named "Jovan Deretić".

Scram.