Origin of E-V13

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Originally Posted by Daos777

There is no shame but it doesn’t make sense. E is the reason Ethiopians and Somalians have Caucasoid features that other subsaharan African people don’t. But they are still mostly Sub Saharan African. They don’t represent what ancient E carriers of North Africa and levant would have looked like. We know that because North African hunter gatherers who are the most likely ancestors of E-V13 were not nibbas. Look at the reconstruction of the Afalou man.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechta-Afalou

Your assignment of E as strictly Ethiopian or Somalian or whatever the fuck sub Saharan African nation is as stupid as someone who doesn’t know the history of haplogroups assigning R1b as African because it is found in Chad.






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As was stated earlier, people on TA are partisan cheerleaders for their own haplogroup so don’t expect many people here to give a straight answer regarding E-V13. It’s easy for people to be flippant and make African jokes than gives thoughtful answer. It always a “my haplogroup is the coolest” jerkoff sessions.

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Originally Posted by Daos777

There is no shame but it doesn’t make sense. E is the reason Ethiopians and Somalians have Caucasoid features that other subsaharan African people don’t. But they are still mostly Sub Saharan African. They don’t represent what ancient E carriers of North Africa and levant would have looked like. We know that because North African hunter gatherers who are the most likely ancestors of E-V13 were not nibbas. Look at the reconstruction of the Afalou man.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechta-Afalou

Your assignment of E as strictly Ethiopian or Somalian or whatever the fuck sub Saharan African nation is as stupid as someone who doesn’t know the history of haplogroups assigning R1b as African because it is found in Chad.






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Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

As was stated earlier, people on TA are partisan cheerleaders for their own haplogroup so don’t expect many people here to give a straight answer regarding E-V13. It’s easy for people to be flippant and make African jokes than gives thoughtful answer. It always a “my haplogroup is the coolest” jerkoff sessions.

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Don’t let them get to you.

WE WUZ NORTH AFRICAN CRO MAGNIDS AND SHEIT.

https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wo.../tag/mechtoid/



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Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

They briefly occupied it so that’s not really colonization.

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It was officially part of the Italian Empire. Still counts. Ethiopia failed to resist European domination.

So It didn't came wirh the Natufians?

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Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Neolithic farmers tested have only 1% E1b actually; only G2a and I2a are significant lineages found among the neolithic farmers. E-v13 grew later on through some sort of rapid founder effect/population boom.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...89/unknown.png

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Very informative, bro :thumb001:

Former Russian (1/4 Tatar) member Norka is E-V13.
Bakha (half Uzbek/Iranian, half Russian) is also E-V13.
These guys have zero African ancestry. Don't you guys be ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Ayetooey

It distributes pretty much all over Europe; yet every neolithic site we find has only G2a, and sometimes I2a. Which implies that E-v13 was not wide spread at all, and the population boom happened later on. Interesting considering G2a which was 61% of all neolithic European Y dnas, is now very low throughout Europe. I think E-v13 thrived when the PIE came to Europe, as the piece I linked above suggests.

"This data suggests that the fate of E-V13 was linked to the elite dominance of Bronze Age society. The geographic distribution of the six main branches show that E-V13 quickly spread to all parts of Europe, but was especially common in Central Europe. The only Bronze Age migration that could account for such a fast and far-reaching dispersal is that of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. At present the most consistent explanation is that E-V13 developed from E-M78 in Central or Eastern Europe during the Neolithic period, and was assimilated by the R1a and R1b Proto-Indo-Europeans around the time that they were leaving the Pontic Steppe to invade the rest of Europe.""

E-v13 was more than likely an elite haplogroup within these early PIE cultures hence the population boom.

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So are you suggesting that E-v13 were assimilated by PIE and became an elite hablogroup withing the PIE or did i misundertood you?

Where did E-V13 originate ?
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sha...4&share_type=t


Maciamo is a writer for eupedia and one of the more well versed people on the history of E-V13.



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Not talking about the age of E-V13 mutation itself or the most recent common ancestor of modern E-V13 holders.

I am specifically interested in when E entered Europe and specifically E-M78 from which E-V13 descended from because it can’t be attributed to any recent migration from Western Asia or Africa.

Key take aways from Maciamos research.

E-M78 parent clade to E-V13 did not arrive with Neolithic farmers and it did not arrive from Western Asia/Anatolia. Low frequency among Neolithic farmers prove this as was posted. A long with common sense. E-M78 arrived from North African Hunter Gatherers and was present in Southern Europe along the Mediterranean coast, mainland Greece, Adriatic coast since the Mesolithic and possibly Paleolithic(parent E-M215).

The parent clade to E-V13 was found in the Iberomaurisian culture earlier than any Natufian examples. Iberomaursians differed somewhat from Natufians phenotypically and genetically although common dna was shared.

“Loosdrecht et al. (2018) analysed genome-wide data from seven ancient individuals from the Iberomaurusian Grotte des Pigeons site near Taforalt in eastern Morocco. The fossils were directly dated to between 15,100 and 13,900 calibrated years before present. The scientists found that all males belonged to haplogroup E1b1b, common among Afroasiatic males. The male specimens with sufficient nuclear DNA preservation belonged to the paternal haplogroup E1b1b1a1 (M78), with one skeleton bearing the E1b1b1a1b1 parent lineage to E-V13, one male specimen belonged to E1b1b (M215*). “

It is this culture that brought haplogroup E to the levant not the other way around. Iberomaurusians predate Natufians and their Mashubian offspring mixed with local unknown levant hunter gathers(most likely of y-haplo CT) to form natufians.

North Africa was full of E-M78 Hunter gatherers until they were eventually replaced by the E-M81 cattle herders. Most of the E in Africa and West Asia today is WAYYYYYY YOUNGER than E-M78 and E-V13.
So how people can say it recently came into Europe descending from these younger subclades is total retardation.

As for its spread throughout Europe. E-V13 carriers were assimilated by the Indo-Europeans. Both R1a and R1b countries have an even share of E-V13 because it was found throughout Southern Europe stretching from Balkans to Portugal. So not only one Indo-European group assimilated them. Beyond that it’s spread can be attributed to Roman and Greek conquests.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Former Russian (1/4 Tatar) member Norka is E-V13.
Bakha (half Uzbek/Iranian, half Russian) is also E-V13.
These guys have zero African ancestry. Don't you guys be ridiculous.

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Morley's Y-DNA predictor also put me as possibly E-V13 and my phenotype at least points to Tatar/Central Asian people. Before anyone jumps in I know very well that Y-DNA is not a phenotype predictor and that E-V13 is found in Greece as well.