Elite Colonial Brazilian DNA results

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Originally Posted by Adamastor

Yep, likely something in between 35-45% for Mexico and 45-50% for Dominican Republic. Brazil is already tending to 65% rather than 70-75% as it was in the past. In 100 years Brazil will be 50% European on average, with higher SSA and Amerindian components. Something like 50% European, 35% SSA, 15% Amerindian.


In 1950 Brazil had at least 60% of ''whites'' (strict whites, 90%+ European), nowadays it's like 43% and many self-identified are less than 90% European (average being 85-88% European). So even the whites are becoming less Euro. In the future we will be like Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic, places where even people in 65-70% European range self-identify as white.

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I doubt Brazilians were ever majoritarily 90%+ European. I think we shouldn't underestimate the impact class stratification had in Brazilian genetic substructure. People who DNA test are generally at the top of the social pyramid and that is why Brazil comes out as much European or even more than Argentina in collections of GEDmatch kits.

This is probably one of the biggest studies ever done in Brazil (+15000 samples). In São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro(the most sampled regions), whites are firmly around 80% European. For some reason, whites from most other regions here are more European, including white northeasterners, averaging 85% European. Only pardos from Vitória and São Paulo are over 60% European on average. Very few people among the whites are over 90% European. Most people sampled had high educational levels.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-15-105-Sample
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...e.0216653.g001

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Originally Posted by Token

I doubt Brazilians were ever majoritarily 90%+ European. I think we shouldn't underestimate the impact class stratification had in Brazilian genetic substructure. People who DNA test are generally at the top of the social pyramid and that is why Brazil comes out as much European or even more than Argentina in collections of GEDmatch kits.

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This is very true, Brazilian samples from puntDNAL and Dodecad/MDLP are very unrepresentative, they score around 90-92% European. But I do believe Brazil was at least 60-70% ''white'' if by white we include people in the 80-100% range.

But Brazilians with heavy African and even Amerindian input aren't rare, an example just to show what I said:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 39.33
2 Atlantic 13.33
3 West_Med 11.78
4 Amerindian 9.98
5 North_Sea 8.16
6 Northeast_African 5.63
7 East_Med 2.93
8 South_Asian 2.32
9 Red_Sea 2.13
10 Baltic 1.94
11 West_Asian 1.29
12 Oceanian 1.14
13 Southeast_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mozabite_Berber 43.55
2 Algerian 45.05
3 Tunisian 45.14
4 Moroccan 47.34
5 San 48.93
6 Mbuti_Pygmy 50.16
7 Bantu_N.E. 50.98
8 Spanish_Galicia 51.82
9 Portuguese 51.83
10 Spanish_Extremadura 51.86
11 Luhya 52.14
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 52.23
13 Spanish_Murcia 52.37
14 North_Italian 52.87
15 Spanish_Andalucia 52.87
16 Spanish_Cataluna 52.97
17 Sudanese 53
18 Tuscan 53.13
19 Romanian 53.25
20 Spanish_Cantabria 53.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 45.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 12.81
2 54% Spanish_Extremadura + 46% Bantu_S.E. @ 12.82
3 54.7% Portuguese + 45.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 12.9
4 54.4% Spanish_Murcia + 45.6% Bantu_S.W. @ 12.91
5 53.8% Spanish_Murcia + 46.2% Bantu_S.E. @ 12.92
6 54% Portuguese + 46% Bantu_S.E. @ 12.94
7 53.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 46.7% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.04
8 54.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 45.5% Bantu_S.W. @ 13.05
9 53.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 46.2% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.08
10 54% Spanish_Cantabria + 46% Bantu_S.W. @ 13.08
11 55.8% Portuguese + 44.2% Mandenka @ 13.1
12 55.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 44.2% Mandenka @ 13.11
13 54.7% Spanish_Galicia + 45.3% Bantu_S.W. @ 13.11
14 53.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 46.5% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.12
15 54.1% Spanish_Galicia + 45.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.12
16 54.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 45.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 13.13
17 53.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 46.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.15
18 53.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 46.1% Bantu_S.W. @ 13.16
19 53.3% Spanish_Valencia + 46.7% Bantu_S.E. @ 13.17
20 55.5% Spanish_Murcia + 44.5% Mandenka @ 13.18


I also have in my possession a kit of a Brazilian from Pernambuco who approach balanced Mestizo range, similar to Reyzuh even.

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Originally Posted by Smeagol

Actually all western countries could be saved easily if their leaders had any interest in doing so. They would simply have to treat the third worlders as the invaders that they are rather than citizens with rights.

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That´s not gonna happen in a short term.

This is the movie presented in the spanish cinemas this weekend:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxQ7Y3mgfec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJbkVEkAMM

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Originally Posted by Adamastor

also have in my possession a kit of a Brazilian from Pernambuco who approach balanced Mestizo range, similar to Reyzuh even.

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I have friends from Fortaleza, and between middle-high university people, they tend to have more amerindian than black. Full-white lookin are rare.

Many could fit phenotypically as mestizo or harnizo.

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Originally Posted by Duffmannn

I have friends from Fortaleza, and between middle-high university people, they tend to have more amerindian than black. Full-white lookin are rare.

Many could fit phenotypically as mestizo or harnizo.

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Ceará state and parts of inland Northeast have low African contribution and lots of Amerindian. It seems there is also more Amerindian than SSA in some parts of South and São Paulo state. I have a kit of a guy from Curitiba that is 75% European, 25% Amerindian.

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Originally Posted by Adamastor

Ceará state and parts of inland Northeast have low African contribution and lots of Amerindian. It seems there is also more Amerindian than SSA in some parts of South and São Paulo state. I have a kit of a guy from Curitiba that is 75% European, 25% Amerindian.

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I have seen that boy.

He seems high-middle class mexican.

But paradoxically, despite being whiter, in Mexico he would be consideared mixed, and in Brazil white.

That is something common in countries with high SSA imput, castizos are considered white (Brazil, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Puerto Rico)

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Originally Posted by Latinus

The woman looks like a typical Brazilian lady from the traditional elite, but you can also find a good chunck of people with her phenotype in the working class.

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her look is common in Southern Texas because most of the earlier immigrants from there came from Northeastern Mexico (Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon), the more recent wave were coming from San Luis Potosi which is more mestizo (balance mestizo to be exact)

FaeriePrincess (not sure if you remember that user, she was Palestinian and anglo american), well she said stated that many Mexicans in San Antonio looked Southern European

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Originally Posted by Adamastor

No, I go by their family trees, most people I post belong to Brazilian genealogy forums and groups. I don't choose random samples in GEDmatch like some forum members here do.

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I really doubt they dont have a Portuguese ancestor since the late 1700's, first of all what the fuck is colonial to you?
Most Mexicans including the very European ones with colonial ancestry do not have a recent European ancestry since the late 1700's, do you understand that now?

Again, I do not know what you consider colonial but I am 100% sure they are not more colonial than Mexicans, and that is a FACT

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This is true, but we have many areas that received scarce 19th century immigration and are more European than all colonial regions of Latin America. The reason is that:

https://journals.openedition.org/nuevomundo/63251

You can download the PDF, it shows that in the colonial period Brazil received almost 3x more Iberian settlers than all Hispanic American countries combined. ~200.000-300.000 in Hispanic America vs ~800.000 in Brazil (some academic sources state 1 million).

So finding very Euro Brazilians with pure colonial stock is more common than elsewhere in Latin America. I've posted people with genealogy in Brazil for the last 200-300 years that are approaching 99% European.

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Your "colonials" are tainted with recent Euro ancestors
show me their genealogy dating back to 2019-1700's lol

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Veracruz.

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pass me their genealogy and results through PM

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Originally Posted by Carlito's Way

I really doubt they dont have a Portuguese ancestor since the late 1700's, first of all what the fuck is colonial to you?

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If you don't count 1700 as colonial then very few Brazilians, even pardos and blacks, are colonials. Even most blacks who live in Brazil now are mostly a product of early 19th century slave trade.

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pass me their genealogy and results through PM

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Sure.

Some results you can easy find in Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKMDZg6n5fs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUNiKZMJ8FU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWONnjckhdc