Serbian Autosomal DNA

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Originally Posted by Vožd

What is your point? If Serbs score Baltic in Balkan area, that is because they are mixed with other Balkanites like Bosniaks?
Large number of Bosniaks are Serbs by origin, anyway.

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Hungry Lion on few other Banija Serbs whose results I have seen shifted significant more northern than Serbian average, and mixing between Serbs and Croatians on Banija was extremely rare.
On the other hand guy from Vrlika in Dalmatia who is half Serb half Croatian is pretty more southern shifted than these Banija Serbs. He is more southern even than Aye's dad (full Dalmatian Serb) and one Serb from Šibenik.

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Originally Posted by Vožd

What is your point? If Serbs score Baltic in Balkan area, that is because they are mixed with other Balkanites like Bosniaks?
Large number of Bosniaks are Serbs by origin, anyway.

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Bosniaks often get 35% Baltic or so, a handful of samples were posted on this forum. Vlatko Vukovic type results.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I've never been a Nordicist but that's beside the point. Sometimes you have to choose the lesser evil. Unless you support a Gypsy holocaust, there are two options available - either you allow them to breed further or you dilute them ethnoracially losing some of your whiteness as a result. At least they are Serbian Orthodox over there in Serbia, not Mudslime.
Russian Gypsies are virtually the same as Balkan since all European Roma have Balkan origin.

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Or just wish them to have a nice trip to west Europe where they migrate from Balkans in large numbers.
And encourage that migration.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Or just wish them to have a nice trip to west Europe where they migrate from Balkans in large numbers.
And encourage that migration.

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I don't know, man. Perhaps the number of Roma in Romania has been greatly reduced after their accession to the EU because around 3 million Romanian citizens live in states like Italy, Spain and Germany. A Spanish guy I know told me many Romanian immigrants in Spain looked non-white. So there is probably some truth to that.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I don't know, man. Perhaps the number of Roma in Romania has been greatly reduced after their accession to the EU because around 3 million Romanian citizens live in states like Italy, Spain and Germany. A Spanish guy I know told me many Romanian immigrants in Spain looked non-white. So there is probably some truth to that.

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It is true.
Most of ethnic minorities are leaving Serbia in large numbers, not just Gypsies.

A lot of posts here are about Gypsies, totally off-topic.

When talking about lower Baltic average for Serbs than Bosniaks should be taken into consideration how many times Serbia proper was depopulated and repopulated after wars probably with people from mountain areas who historically had to have more Balkan origin than Slavic. Just in WW1 Serbia lost one third of population, not to mention what happened before during Ottomans etc. I guess those changes must've had influence in average genatics.

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

When talking about lower Baltic average for Serbs than Bosniaks should be taken into consideration how many times Serbia proper was depopulated and repopulated after wars probably with people from mountain areas who historically had to have more Balkan origin than Slavic. Just in WW1 Serbia lost one third of population, not to mention what happened before during Ottomans etc. I guess those changes must've had influence in average genatics.

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From what I have seen high Baltic tend have Bosniaks from northern Bosnia especially from Tuzla area. Large part of Bosniaks from Tuzla and whole NE Bosnia originated from Muslim muhajeers from Slavonia, Vojvodina and Hungary settled in NE Bosnia in late 17th century. Among these Muslims settlers there was for sure islamized Hungarians, Slovaks and Rusyns.
Tuzla Bosniaks tende to have 35-36% Baltic.

One Bosniak from Goražde is about 32% Baltic.
Bosniaks from Cazinska Krajina are usualy around 30% Baltic.
I have seen few Bosniaks from central Bosnia with 29-32% Baltic.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

From what I have seen high Baltic tend have Bosniaks from northern Bosnia especially from Tuzla area. Large part of Bosniaks from Tuzla and whole NE Bosnia originated from Muslim muhajeers from Slavonia, Vojvodina and Hungary settled in NE Bosnia in late 17th century. Among these Muslims settlers there was for sure islamized Hungarians, Slovaks and Rusyns.
Tuzla Bosniaks tende to have 35-36% Baltic.

One Bosniak from Goražde is about 32% Baltic.
Bosniaks from Cazinska Krajina are usualy around 30% Baltic.
I have seen few Bosniaks from central Bosnia with 29-32% Baltic.

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Bosniensis' Baltic and NA

23andme data
Baltic 29.57 Pct
North_Atlantic 22.59 Pct

FTDNA data
Baltic 28.79 Pct
North_Atlantic 25.11 Pct

The Bosniaks are a small ethnicity (only 2 million self-reported "Muslims" in Yugoslavia back in 1981), they should be fairly homogenous due to the limited gene pool.

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

When talking about lower Baltic average for Serbs than Bosniaks should be taken into consideration how many times Serbia proper was depopulated and repopulated after wars probably with people from mountain areas who historically had to have more Balkan origin than Slavic. Just in WW1 Serbia lost one third of population, not to mention what happened before during Ottomans etc. I guess those changes must've had influence in average genatics.

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A lot of Slavic population has died, and they were city dwellers.

I even suspect that most of muslims (Bosniaks) in Serbia in 1700-1800 were more slavic admixed, and they mostly moved to Turkey.

Mountain people (serbian villagers) were predominantly ex-romance villagers (vlachs) who had significantly less Baltic admixture.

It is true that Western Balkans has shifted more southwards due to influence of Ottoman Empire, Wars and Migrations.