Either these people stayed pure Northern Bell Beaker-like in Switzerland for 2000 years but had little to no genetic influence on others, or they're misdated.
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Either these people stayed pure Northern Bell Beaker-like in Switzerland for 2000 years but had little to no genetic influence on others, or they're misdated.
They look like early British and Dutch Bell Beakers as far as their plotting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Creoda
yes connected to the proto nordic germanic tribes ,in truth they are from the benelux and northern france /germany for the proto celtic tribes they slide down to the south east later in austria/switzerland/east of france/northern italy,the with the hallstatt iron age and the "la téne" culture period ,for example the burgonds as proto-germanic tribe is from southern denmark ,proto-celts and proto-gemanics are really connected they are the cradle of the genuine european civilisationQuote:
Originally Posted by Token
if you look,after the hercynians they are located in poland,germany,austria and czech republic ,this is after the proto-germanic from the north tribes moves southern,all this it's way before the romanian empire ,so in a larger way yes celts are norther european ,after all it's depend where you are situating your north
proto-germanic tribes core and the halttstat iron age/la téne core
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...s_ca._AD_1.pnghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._in_Europe.png
Hercynia
- Eastern Celts[1]
- Anartes/Anartoi – Celts assimilated by Dacians.[2] Areas of modern Slovakia and modern Northern Hungary, north of the river Tysia/Tibiscus (Tisza). They lived in the east part of the Hercynia Silva (Hercynian Forest).
- Boii[1]– a tribal confederation, originally from today's Bohemia (Western Czech Republic) that dwelt in the Hercynia Silva and dispersed through migrations to other regions of Europe, to areas of modern Slovakia, Germany, Austria, Hungary and Northern Italy.[3][4]
- Boii tribes of unknown names in the Hercynia Silva - roughly in today's Bohemia
- Cotini – areas of modern Slovakia, west of the Anartes, and areas of Western Hungary, south of Lacus Pelsodis/Pelso (Lake Balaton).
- Lugii – areas of modern southwestern and southern Poland; also may have been a Germanic tribe.
- Osi/Osii – areas of modern Slovakia[5]
- Volcae - a tribal confederation, originally from today's Moravia (Eastern Czech Republic), Central and Upper Danube basin (Slovakia, Austria, Southern Germany), dwelt in Hercynia Silva, north of the Danuvius (Danube), but dispersed through migrations to other regions of Europe (Southern Gaul) and Asia Minor/Anatolia (Galatia).
- Volcae tribes of unknown names in the Hercynia Silva - roughly in today's Moravia.
Target: MX195_scaled
Distance: 2.4486% / 0.02448641
50.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
30.6 Early_European_Farmer
11.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
5.0 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer
2.2 Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer
Target: MX192_scaled
Distance: 2.5943% / 0.02594313
49.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
32.2 Early_European_Farmer
10.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
6.8 Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer
1.2 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer
0.4 Ancient_American
Target: MX190_scaled
Distance: 2.4890% / 0.02488996
54.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
30.0 Early_European_Farmer
15.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
Target: MX188_scaled
Distance: 1.7278% / 0.01727845
51.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
32.2 Early_European_Farmer
8.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
7.0 Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer
0.6 Africa_Mesolithic
Celts must be really divergent phenotype wise. They had Central European, Northern European and even some darker Southern European look depending on tribe, geography etc.
Real authentic genuine celts will come out similar to that British like Gaul from empuries (I8206)
They were definitely a lot more northern than those Lech Valley MBA samples but certainly not Scandinavian levels of steppe ancestry.
What do you think about the ancient Irish Raithlin sample(s) and English Iron age samples ? Sorry, if this is a stupid question but I'm not an expert on this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imperator Biff
Look at the dark blue: pre-celtic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Token
I have always seen that they are named pre-celtic or proto-celtic. Maybe here there is the real deal:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ia_200_BCE.PNG
Let's not exaggerate, they don't have as much steppe as Dutch Beakers. They are just very slightly above North European steppe level. Apparently, if they are indeed Iron Age as Davidski claims, there is a good chance they are from a massive Hallstatt burial (the largest in Switzerland) since this is one of the hugest sites of Iron Age Switzerland. Information on the site posted by an Anthrogenica member: https://www.ag.ch/media/kanton_aarga...en_baerhau.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Creoda
Code:Distance to: Viriato
0.02675706 Hallstatt_Celt:DA111
0.03394676 Iberia_BA
0.04533877 Nordic_BA
0.04579137 MX190
0.04849712 Mycenaean
0.05079488 MX192
0.05198288 MX188
0.05247485 MX195
0.05992303 Armenia_MBA
0.06143201 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
0.06946512 North_African
0.08699746 Yoruba