Origin of I2-din. Slavic, Paleo-Balkan or?

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

Then who are those R1a people? Turks?

Could it be that we are Slavs and that Russians are Turks then?

If I2 are Slavs then R1a are someone else.

Whatever you decide you can't say that R1a and I2 people belong to the same civilization just like Sardinians are obviously not related to R1b people of Italy.

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Why is it so difficult to comprehend that a culture or society may consist of several haplogroups and clades? Even the original R1b carriers probably spoke a tongue completely alien to Indo-European. It's somehow totally normal how Greeks and Albanians are mainly a mix of E, J and R, yet completely unfathomable that I2 is in any way connected to Slavs...

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Originally Posted by Ford

Why would you want to descend from gypsy pirates who were eternally raped by the Romans? The concentration of I2 in the Balkans is a testament of Slavic hegemony in the region.

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Illyrians were one of most irrlevevant people in European history, left absolutely nothing behind them, almost no material culture, no language...absolutely nothing.

Pirates (Liburnians) were advanced ones btw, and most scholars consider them non Illyrian.

Delmatae were among most backwards people in SE Europe.

Only thing they are know for is being subjugated by Romans and Slavs.

I'm proud to descend from NE Euro Slavic invaders who conquered these aboriginal like people.

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Originally Posted by Ford

Why is it so difficult to comprehend that a culture or society may consist of several haplogroups and clades? Even the original R1b carriers probably spoke a tongue completely alien to Indo-European. It's somehow totally normal how Greeks and Albanians are mainly a mix of E, J and R, yet completely unfathomable that I2 is in any way connected to Slavs...

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Don't bother with him, he is a muzzie in search for better past and that is only problem here because Islam today isn't very popular among other Slavs (or Europeans for that matter)

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Real Slav is r1a ,i2 is Iranic.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Stfu. We are not natives. In my signature is visible how much I match ancient Balkan samples, and it is 30%.

Stop pretending you know anything about South Slavs, you are not one dumb Yank.

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I think you should calm your tits a little bit. It is one thing to disagree and another to just throw insults around, had to already delete two of them.

Sincerely, without Vlach component, we would be melancholic, borring, cold people. Without the Slavic component we would be like lazy disorganized mediterraneans.

This mix makes us superior.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Illyrians were one of most irrlevevant people in European history, left absolutely nothing behind them, almost no material culture, no language...absolutely nothing.

Pirates (Liburnians) were advanced ones btw, and most scholars consider them non Illyrian.

Delmatae were among most backwards people in SE Europe.

Only thing they are know for is being subjugated by Romans and Slavs.

I'm proud to descend from NE Euro Slavic invaders who conquered these aboriginal like people.

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#metoo

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Originally Posted by Hithaeglir

I think you should calm your tits a little bit. It is one thing to disagree and another to just throw insults around, had to already delete two of them.

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Okay, but you should understand it's annoying to have your origin attacked every day. Austrians and southern Germans or English are less Germanic genetically than we are Slavic, nobody attacks them.

Not to mention northern Slavs are mixed too, some considerably like Czechs and northern Russians but they are not trolled like south slavs at all.

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Originally Posted by Norb

#metoo

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Your ydna is Germanic from.Corded Ware introgression to Scandinavia, nothing to do with Slavs.

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Originally Posted by Ford

Why is it so difficult to comprehend that a culture or society may consist of several haplogroups and clades? Even the original R1b carriers probably spoke a tongue completely alien to Indo-European. It's somehow totally normal how Greeks and Albanians are mainly a mix of E, J and R, yet completely unfathomable that I2 is in any way connected to Slavs...

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Like I said though before what constitutes a Slav? I agree with both your points in ways, I2 could have migrated out and re-entered but at the end of the day it pre-dates all the cultures we are talking about by thousands of years and autosomally I2 would just be hunter-gatherer which is found in all the aforementioned cultures. Even if this was a troll thread, the scientific method of analysis should be respected.